i'm in the hobbes/abdul boat. some of you guys are so jaded or looking for any excuse to attack gholston. no one here is "crowning" him. it's a sign of progress and people are merely making an observation. IMHO, i'd be more pissed off to have a POS like Albert Haynesworth (Eddy curry of the NFL) who despite being ultra talented is a lazy, selfish ass hat
Look I know the guy is bust for where he was picked but why are blaming him and not magina or the gm. They were scared that NE would take him. They screwed the pooch. Then mangina plays him out of position screws with the kids head and a year is wasted. Rex comes in tries 1 year at olb and did not work and moves him to the DL where essentially in the pros he is a rookie and he is doing what he should. Is he great nope no where near it but at least he is making plays. I will root for him over Gayson taylor. I rest my case
I understand where you're coming from, but in the same token, you guys are acting like we're the assholes for asking Gholston to do it in the regular season when he's supposedly already shown flashes of improvement in the other 2 pre-seasons. Or maybe I'm the only one. Sorry if I'm asking for too much.
This to me can't be understated. A good coach gets the best out of the players he has. Mangini was so rigid he insisted on shoving square pegs into round holes with the excuse that over time he just needed more round pegs. So he plays Gholston out of position and gets nothing out of him, declares Jonathan Vilma a guy he can't use and trades him. Then you look at Rex. I laugh when I hear analysts say how the D was built around Revis being a shutdown corner and that's why he's so vital. True but why was that? Because Revis was his best player and Rex set it up that way. In Baltimore he had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and his D wasn't built around a shutdown corner. Now Gholston hasn't flourished yet under Rex either, but at least he's back at a position where he has more chance to succeed because Rex had the sense to adjust to him rather than the opposite.
No i'm not talking calling anybody an asshole. Least of all you rmagedon. I just don't agree with people who are full of hatred and venom against Vernon. That's all. I am not down with hating the guy. I see no reason for it. If he was a jerk or cost us games or didn't give 100% effort - I might be able to see the point of trashing a player. But hating just b/c he was drafted too high, and sucked playing out of position as a rookie and was poorly coached - that doesn't seem like a reason to hate a player. Just my opinion. But I tend to be an optimist and I see Vernon improving as a player. I really believe in rooting for our guys 110% and hating on the opponents 110%. Perhaps thats naive and old school of me. I truly believe that Vernon could become a good player for us and I am hopeful that he continues to improve. I can appreciate that reasonable folks can disagree on this.
None of us are rooting against da ghost, we are just telling it like it is...the bitch sucks. If he ever does something else besides stand there with his hand on his hips in the regular season, then maybe some of us might start believing. But let's calm the fuck down over 4 tackles in a preseason game.
And this is a perfect example of the bullshit I am talking about. If you really wanted to tell it like it is, you wouldn't be referring to one of our own guys as a "bitch" and you would be much fairer in your assessment and you'd recognize that he was serviceable for the Jets last season. Instead its just more BS from a hater. Nobody is getting overly excited about Vernon playing a good game. Nobody is lighting off fireworks and having a parade. We are simply being positive and noting the fact that the guy seems to making improvements and progress now that the coaches have started playing him at the position where he should have been playing. Is it okay with you if Jets fans comment on a nice performance by one of our own players???? Or do you require that we all trash our own players and refuse to recognize when they have a good game???
Vern is going to have a good year. Maybe I'm a little too involved in Hard knocks (thought Chris Henry was going to have a great year last year, too bad it ended in the worst possible way.. Sad.). I liked how Rex was going out of his way to bring out the beast in Gholston, the kid has great physical tools and just needs to be motivated. He is not a football player, he is an athlete playing football. Linebacker requires football instincts that Vern does not possess. I had said for the last 2 years to put the kids hand in the dirt and let him create havoc for some tackles. The guy OWNED Jake Long at Ohio State multiple times, it's there. I also think he seems like a nice guy who is quiet and humble. All the people who hate on him: It was warranted for the last two years, but now as the new Jets (Not SOJ) begin to take shape, we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope and actually believe he will come into his own this year, call me a foolish optimist.
sadly, he is. You don't average about 16-20 points a game in the NBA while shooting 56% from the field, for a couple of years by not having talent. He even abused dwight howard on the regular a few years back. The problem is he has no desire, work ethic or professionalism. He has very good post moves and an incredible amount of agility for a guy his size. If he was just some tall slob with no ability, no one would care. He's a lazy, immature, fat POS. When he finally tried to get in shape it was too late and thats why he kept getting injured last couple of seasons. talking about him just pisses me off. Thank god his contract is expiring and the knicks actually have some young, promising talent and a legit all star...with maybe one more on the way (melo)
Let's be brutally honest about this: Gholston has no natural position in a 3-4. It's not clear that he would be ok in a 4-3 but unless he can move into the middle as an ILB he really doesn't fit anywhere in the 3-4. He's no good in space on the edge of the field, being a little bit too big and awkward to cover in the flats. He's shown no ability to rush from the ROLB position, being neither quick enough to turn a tackle nor big enough to bull rush them. He's way too small to play end in the 3-4. That leaves the inside linebacker positions and he probably can't cover the TE short or a back releasing out of the backfield so that's going to be a problem. It's not clear what else the Jets could have done with that pick given where they picked and who was right behind them, but Gholston was a likely bust when he was drafted given the things the Jets were planning to do with him. He would have had to be an exceptionally motivated athlete for things to work out and obviously to date he has not been that.
They could have drafted a jar of apple sauce or McKelvin. Both inherently more useful than Gholston at this point.
watch Gholston come up with a strip, sack or recovery in the endzone to win a big game this season.... LOL.
Just when I think that you're making sense, you throw out this pile of dung. What exactly about good ole' Vern made him "serviceable" last year? Was it that we needed an extra guy on the team and he knew how to tie his own "big boy" laces? Give me specific examples which show that he was "serviceable."
