Blue Jays @ Yankees 8/2 - 8/4

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  1. MBGreen

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    I'm not crying....just calling it how i see it.


    It's a good thing Steinbrenner choked on his calzone last week.....maybe some of the outrageous contracts being doled out will taper down.
     
  2. kinghenry89

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    The Blue Jays are part of the problem here--their stupid contract to AJ Burnett helped inflate the starting pitching market, and their stupider contract to BJ Ryan greatly inflated the relief market.

    Whine all you want about the Yankees giant contracts, but for the most part they've been paying market value.
     
  3. Cappy

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    And don't forget Vernon Wells' contract. :breakdance:

    Yeah, obviously this is all the Yankees' fault. :rolleyes:
     
  4. MBGreen

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    The Yankees started it......Giambi was certainly worth that huge contract you clowns gave him :rolleyes:

    what about Pavano?.....nice return on investment there.
     
  5. Cappy

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    The Yankees started it? What is this, first grade?

    And for the record, Giambi's OPS+ with the Yankees - including his awful 2004 - was 149. Wells has never even sniffed that in a single season.

    The point is, you should probably just shut up about those mean ol Yankees dishing out all that money, since it correlates poorly with success, and your own team has had plenty of say in setting market value.
     
  6. kinghenry89

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    That's what I'm getting at though. As much as Pavano was a horrible disaster for the Yankees, he was basically paid market value--if Matt Clement makes $8.3 million a year, why shouldn't Pavano get $9.75?

    The Yankees aren't the only team to blame for the inflated market, far from it. What sets them apart is that they can absorb their stupid contracts, while teams like Toronto have to live with their mistakes.
     
  7. AlioTheFool

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    I've been away for a few days so I've fortunately missed these last few disasters. I just keep telling myself it's early August, and combined with not watching the games, it's working.

    Anyway, as far as people bitching about the Yankees overspending, enough already. Your team doesn't want a salary cap because the Yankees operate without it. How many of your games do you sell out each year? How many games against the Yankees do you sell out?

    For reference, this past weekend's Yankees/Rays series was the first time in the Rays' history they'd sold out a series. Even Kansas City sells out when the Yankees come to town. Why? 2 reasons. 1) Yankee fans are everywhere, even more than bandwagon Boston fans and 2) everyone who isn't a Yankees fan wants to go boo them.

    Then of course there's the fact that teams reap a lot of unearned money as a result of the Yankees' luxury tax. If you think they're giving that up you're crazy.
     
  8. kinghenry89

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    You forgot by far the biggest reason that teams don't want a salary cap:

    Because it would necessarily come with a salary floor, and given the runaway power of the players union that floor would be pretty high. High enough to make a lot of teams substantially raise their payroll.

    Lots of teams whine about the Yankees spending. As far as I can tell, only the Brewers have ever actually tried to get a salary cap in place during CBA negotiations.
     
  9. MBGreen

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    if this was the first grade....i would've stolen your lunch money by now.

    And i don't give a shit about the correlation.....my point was simple....the Yankees are the ones who started shelling out ridiculous contracts FIRST......i'm not saying the Jays didn't try the same route (I hated Ricciardi for it).....but the Yanks got the ball rollin'......can't deny that.
     
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    (yes, I know this topic has beaten to death on numerous occasions. That being said...)


    The Yankees spend the most because they make the most, and ownership prefers to put that money back into the team, unlike many other owners.

    I'm not going to bitch because Donald Trump rides around in a Bentley and I'm in a Honda Accord. He makes a shit-ton more than me, and he has the right to spend that money.
     
  11. kinghenry89

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    A-Rod finally got it.

    It figures that he knocks it out of the park during the first game that I haven't watched in about 2 weeks.
     
  12. AlioTheFool

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    Very good point, and one I usually make mention of. There are many teams that don't have any desire to spend, no matter what spending would do for the organization.

    Haha, interestingly enough, it's the first game I'm at least listening to since last week. I'm glad it's finally over and he can move on and start clubbing the crap out of the ball again.
     
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    Was Sterling's call as horrible as I imagine it?
     
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    No worse than normal really. Obviously there was the "He finally did it" inserted, but it wasn't anything more irritating than anything else he says.

    He's actually being far more annoying talking about how the balls/strikes are called slowly by McClelland.
     
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    "..." is an ellipsis. There are three periods used when typing them. To use it denotes a pause, or trailing off. Trying to read your post with all those incorrectly typed ellipses makes it read like you're either out of breath or have suffered a brain injury. Living in America's Hat as you do, I'd say either is possible.
     
  16. MBGreen

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    whatever, Jtuds.


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    choke on that.


    EDIT: I love how some of you clowns like to use the country I live in as a means to fire insults......I guess since you live in NY....that makes you a greasy mook that speaks like he's chewing on a pair of sweatsocks. :rolleyes:
     
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    He complains more about that than any other broadcaster.

    He's always making excuses about why he's so incompetent at describing a baseball game, so when McClelland is umping, he really goes off about how slow McClelland is, it's not his fault, he didn't know it was a strike, McClelland is way too deliberate, etc.

    A normal broadcaster might mention it once or twice. Sterling? Fuhgettabout.
     
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    Nicky Santoro says hi..
     
  19. Cappy

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    I like how some people take things way too seriously.


    And I don't live in NY.

    If you can't be troubled to look to the right of where it says "Location" under my avatar, I'll help. I live in Reading, MA.
     
  20. MBGreen

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    I probably would have to "care" first.


    I'm not going to get into this back n' forth bullshit with you, Cappy....

    Bottom line is...the Yanks started the overpriced contract era....I never said the Jays didn't follow suit....but the Yanks lit the initial fuse.
     

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