Agree with Bruschi completely... Asomugha makes taht money 'cause he's on the Raiders!!! If Revis wants to go to the Chiefs, Rams etc and make 16 mill a year he's free to go... but that means swapping $$$ for the opportunity to build a dynasty. HE can not care, he's a player not a fan... but as a fan I want what's best for this team... and that's not giving REvis the money he currently wants.
All you have is Revis claiming there is no guaranteed money. That description defies credulity. Show me the last 6 year extension to a star player that was absent a signing bonus...
I can't remember where I read it this morning, but there was a source or opinion or something that described it as an extension, including the original guaranteed $20mil as an existing bonus and no guaranteed money for the duration.
There are only two very realistic possibilities. The Cap genius thought he could snake one by, or the guy whose 'advisors' are Gilbert and Law and is campaigning against the FO publicly (when in reality he is negotiating against his TEAMMATES) is stretching the truth. (BTW..he already has 20 mil in guarantees available to him...so what do you think?) FYI I put Revis at the bottom of the list bc he doesn't touch (or impact directly every snap) but here's a similar take. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=1736626&postcount=26
Which is an asinine point. You pay him what the market dictates he is worth. If it is more than a total $100mil contract than that is what he should get. There shouldn't be a maximum for a player of his calibre. He is worth that much because of the quality of QBs he's going against. He plays Tom Brady twice a year and he played Peyton Manning twice a year this past season. If it was Jamarcus Russell twice a season and Croyle/Cassell/Thigpen twice a season, it would be different. The team dictates the opponents which dictates the competition which dictates the value. If he was playing in KC and putting up his numbers(or preventing people from putting up theirs) then it would only be less valuable because of the competition. The Jets had a difficult schedule this season and Revis performed about as well as Deion would have(better if you take into account the fact that Revis will tackle).
I don't know if he's lying or not, but I think the Jets would respond to something like that if it were a lie. Why would he lie anyway? I never argued the importance of a corner vs. salary with you. I was arguing your logic about Lowery being almost as good as him because of a stat. You were completely off base. In THIS defense Rex is running a premium CB is definitely necessary. What I think is most important for Rex though, is that he have some great players somewhere on the field. If we were to trade Revis for say DeMarcus Ware or a younger less injured Troy Polumolu I'm sure he could build an outstanding defense with those guys too.
Yeah,I rolled my eyes at that part. The worst part of this is Revis still has 3 years on his contract and is crying like a bitch about disrespect when Mangold is in the last year of his deal and his agent hasn't even recieved a phone call.
Dude, you need to give up Madden, and start playing Junior G.M. The maximum is called a salary cap, and the rest of the team.
First of all, the market can easily be wrong. A-Rod was able to get 252 million dollars guaranteed out of the Texas Rangers. The decade following has clearly failed to establish his worth at that level of compensation at the time he was signed and maybe even today. Sometimes the market is a whiny bitch that just has to have her way even though everybody else is made miserable in the process. The smart money avoids her and finds other solutions. The Jets are 1-3 against Tom Brady with Darrelle Revis in the lineup. They were 1-3 against Tom Brady in the 4 games before they drafted Darrelle Revis. Darrelle Revis effect on the Jet's ability to beat Tom Brady has so far been negligible. The Jets are 0-1 against Penyton Manning when he plays a full game with Darrelle Revis in the lineup. Obviously Darrelle Revis is not a huge plus against Brady and Manning because the team is 1-4 in the last 5 games in which Brady and Manning played full games and Revis was in the lineup. Paying Darrelle Revis like Brady and Manning because he faces off against them is not justified based on who wins the games they face off in.
The other thing is, while Revis has been very very good since the day he was drafted, it was really only last season that his play was transcendant. That has to have something to do with the scheme last season vs. the Mangini defense. Obviously, the pressure fronts help the coverage immensely. You just can't bet the farm on a CB, even one this good. James Dearth was far and away the best long snapper the Jets have had in a generation. Where is he now?
Revis play in 2008 was just about as good in 2009, it just didn't get any pub cus of the whole Brett Favre fiasco and the rest of the defense sucking balls
^okay, then, you just made Bradway's point for him. With Revis playing out of his mind, the Jets are good for 9 wins a season, either missing the playoffs entirely, or squeaking in with a generous amount of help. How good he is isn't the only factor in determining how much you pay him. His importance in terms of wins and losses also affects the equation. Thus the Dearth reference.
I love Revis, but if he isn't happy with 100 million trade him. He's an excellent player and we would have to make adjustments to the defense, but we could do fine without him.
100 million dollar contract, and a chance to win a sb? or make more than aso a season for a bad team? c'mon revis smarten up.
What salary cap? There's no CBA after this season. There's no guarantee of a league next season. Nor do you know any more than I of what structure any cap would have after this season. So what's the alternative? If someone is going to pay him that much then why should he turn it down? If he doesn't get it here he is going to get it somewhere else. What's the other solution? Do you think players like Revis come along every draft? Ryan has said over and over that Revis is the most important player on his defense, do you just pull the rug out from under your coach like that? As for paying him like any other CB, there's the simple fact that he's doing more than any other corner. The guy consistently shuts down the top WR on every team and, what's more, he does it by shadowing that receiver for the entire game. Champ Bailey at his prime was the closest thing to what Revis is now but he did it by playing on the same side of the field for the whole game. No one follows their receiver around like Revis does for 16 games a season. This is so fucking ridiculous of an argument that it barely merits a response. First, there's the fact that you cannot keep a consistent time frame for evaluating Revis, apparently only two seasons against the Patriots count and only one game against the Colts matters. Then there is the fact that you seem to think Revis' contribution is negligible because of things entirely out of his control cost the Jets those games. Football is a team sport, one guy isn't going to win a game for the other 21 in this league. For the Colts game: No, the Jets are 0-1 against Manning when he plays a full game against Dwight Lowery, Lito Sheppard and DREW FUCKING COLEMAN. Revis' assignment was Reggie Wayne in the AFCC; Wayne's numbers were 5 catches for 46 yards. It's not Revis' fault that the guys on the other side of the field utterly failed to cover Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon. It's also not Revis' fault that the Jets completely lost the ability to run the ball once Shonn Greene went down with a rib injury. But hey, Mangold and Brick didn't help us win that game either, might as well tell them to go fuck themselves when their contracts come up. For the Patriots game this past season: Look at what he did to Randy Moss: 4/24 and 5/34 in the two games they played. We lost the second game primarily do to Sanchez's interceptions and Rhodes' inability to tackle Welker. Revis did his job this game, just because others did not does not make him any less valuable. Revis' job isn't to win the game for the Jets, it's to shut down the opponents' #1 WR and so far I'm looking at two HOF QBs who couldn't beat him. When it comes to a player doing his job, no one was better than Revis this season on this team.
But they did beat him. They beat him by pretty much ignoring him and the one guy he eliminated. That's the issue with the positional value of a cornerback. Even the best cornerback ever is going to cover one guy at a time. That's why Deion kept special teams, offense and baseball on the resume- you need to supplement to get seriously paid. James Dearth was nearly flawless for us as a long snapper. But you're not weighing that against Revis' contribution because of positional value, as you should.
WTF? This logic could not be more backwards. A cornerback is doing his job when passes are not coming his way. By that logic, Lowery, Sheppard and Coleman won because they had passes thrown at them. That's not getting beat by a QB, that's limiting a QB. Revis completely shut down one side of the field. That's a full on win. Get a fucking clue. Are you kidding me? Did this suddenly become 1965? You can get paid in this league now. Look at how much the contracts have increased between Deion's prime and now. Deion was a freak of an athlete who could play on all sides of the ball and he loved baseball and worked everyday he could at it because he really wanted to play baseball. Yea, James Dearth was so good this past season that the Jets thought it would be too unfair to the competition to bring him back. That's why he's sitting at home without a contract and the Jets brought in someone to replace him. Flawless logic. You're way off on this one.
