Hobbes, the point you seem to be missing or ignoring in all of this is that within the defense we run Revis is put on an island by himself which allows the rest of the defense to work the way that it does. Only a handful of corners in the league could be trusted to be put in the position that Revis is put in on almost every down and that why comparing his stats to Lowery is laughable at best. Without Revis allowing the rest of the defense to cover for the weaknesses of a player like Lowery the entire thing would fall apart. I do agree that if this current contract is legit it then just becomes about getting him the right amount of guaranteed money. No reason to go any higher than what we have been hearing about.
Hobbes could make the most convincing argument in the world and it would be nullified by Rex Ryan. Rex loves cornerbacks, and he has arguably the best one. Revis is not technically replaceable, given the current defensive alignment and coaching personnel. This is not the Patriots of the last decade.
None of that has anything to do with the Jets defense or Lowery. The Pats had Tom Brady and one of the best front 7's in the league and played an entirely different style of defense. The Jets don't have a front 7 like that and need to apply pressure in other ways. Again, what does that have to do with Lowery or the current Jets defense? Was getting rid of Glenn even a good move? The role that Lowery played was the one most replaceable. His role was made possible and easier to do BECAUSE we have the best man corner in the world and can put him on an island. That free's up guys to help out elsewhere or blitz thus making Lowery's role easier. There aren't many CB's in the league you can trust to do what Revis did last year. Go ahead and throw a lesser CB in single coverage on Andre Johnson and see what happens. Huge plays resulting in points happen.
Abyz, a little context please..You're making my point. HE was shipped out via the expansion draft in 2002. What happened to the team? Playoffs 2 out of the next three years. including that 41-0 rout of Payton Manning's Colts.
Just think how well they would have done if the Jets had Aaron Glenn covering Rice or Brown against the Raiders in the playoffs? :up:
They already apply pressure a number of different ways, and yes Revis makes some of that possible, but he is not nearly the entire picture. It did not hurt the team.They made the playoffs 2 of the next three seasons, including hanging a donut on Manning. No question about the mans ability. His worth in a team context is something else.
It's far easier to imagine what would have happend if Pennington did not throw two interceptions, lose two fumbles, and get sacked four times
This would not have mattered. The Raiders got in Chad's head early and rattled him and our offense literally stunk up the joint. Chad looked terrible because he was playing scared. He threw 2 picks and fumbled twice and the game went over. Nothing the defense did that day was going to change the end result. And that's the point about Revis: a cornerback can't be a game-changer without real help from the opposing QB and if that help is forthcoming then a good CB will take almost as good advantage of the situation as a great one.
Two points for Hobbes. 1.) As you should know, Lowrey is nasty, brutish and short; he's a JAG. He can't really play the position and would be horribly exposed if he didn't have such great defensive schemes and talent around him. 2.) Based on what we know, it's not really a 100 million offer. It's really six one-year team options averaging about 15 million a year (not sure what the distribution is) starting in three years. Because none of it is guaranteed the Jets would have a lot of flexibility to renegotiate it, like the renegotiate the Moore deal. And based on what we know about the offer if he signed it tomorrow suffered a debilitating injury any time in the next three years he might not see a single cent.
Only insofar as the current deal. Here's what I would propose (if I got to play T for a day) have him take the opt out. Jets Buy back remaining years, then sign extension for 6, with salaries of 10,10,10,11,12,12 mil for 65milllion...35 million dollar SB. Revis then makes 36 mil this year, 56 over the next 3 (well beyond Aso,) and 120 over the lifetime of his tenure. (Don't nit pick those are obviously rough figures)
Revis does not allow Rex to run Rex's defense. My recollection is he ran it pretty successfully elsewhere without the talents of #24. I'm all for paying him. and Paying him well. But to insist that he's not replaceable, is delusional.
Put down the crack pipe. If Revis blows out his knee, tomorrow...We'll still field a great defense on opening day. Cromartie, and the new kid are not Garbage. Will every elite wideout in the league go catchless...of course not. But Rex makes the defense work. No single player does.
Cromartie has had above average seasons and Kyle Wilson has done nothing in the NFL yet. And cornerbacks may be more replaceable than a lot of positions in most NFL schemes. But Rex Ryan is a defensive visionary and knows when to load up on the right position when the league starts stacking the deck. It's no coincidence that the Jets lacked a 4 man pass rush in 2009 and still were ranked #1 in pass defense. Revis may not make the defense go by himself, but he was the main reason the 2009 Jets defense did as well as it did. He was the cornerstone. Can Rex design a defense without Revis? Absolutely. But he doesn't need to.
But..we do agree then.. The next step. If Revis is holding out for Revis-Only and balks at a reasonable contract do you screw the guys that impact every snap directly (Center,LT,QB) and Harris to placate the guy furthest away from ball? Maybe you misunderstand my position...I'm all for paying the guy. Within Reason, but not at the expense of the Team. Personally, I think Mr.T. should call each of the big fours agents (without telling the other) for a Dinner meeting with their respective clients and tell them straight up...Here's the pile of money available to sign the core of the team. You four decide who gets what. One of the things these Revis is doing (not so much the others yet) is negotiating AGAINST his own teammates. Put them all in a room, and this problem will solve itself.
