http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d818b09d4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true NEW YORK -- The NFL made a presentation to the NFL Players Association during a collective bargaining session in New York on Wednesday espousing the merits of moving to an 18-game season. The session took place at the league offices in New York City and included top officials from both sides, with the crux of the roughly two hours devoted to the concept of the "enhanced season," as the NFL is calling it. Mark Murphy, president of the Green Bay Packers and a member of the league's negotiating team, briefed some national media on the proposal after the meeting, saying that it would not be adapted until 2012 at the earliest and suggesting the NFL would consider reducing the preseason from four games to two, adjusting roster size and injured reserve rules, and adding a bye week at the start of the regular season as part of the initiative. Murphy also said the NFL is studying the concept of adding its own developmental league -- likely in the spring -- within the United States to replace the league's past efforts in Europe. "I think this is an idea that is really gaining momentum particularly within the owners," Murphy said of the enhanced season. "It's something we've talked a lot about over the last year." NFL owners have yet to vote on moving to an 18-game regular season, but Commissioner Roger Goodell has spoken out strongly in favor of it on many occasions. Murphy said the league would not act unilaterally to impose this plan on players, with it being in his mind part of the solution to the gulf that currently exists between the sides as they try to hash out a new labor agreement before the current one expires in the spring. "We really try to provide top quality value to our fans ... To me one thing that stands out as being different is the preseason." -- Mark Murphy, Packers president "This is all subject to our bargaining process with the players," said Murphy, a former NFL player and former vice president of the NFLPA, after the first negotiation between the NFL and NFLPA since February. George Atallah, assistant executive director of external affairs for the NFLPA, said the union would not have a formal response to the proposal other than to point out three primary concerns with it. He said the NFLPA had "concerns" about the reliability of the data the league provided regarding the impact of an 18-game regular season and injury risks, and how the league would provide "post-career health care." And, as well, how players would be paid, with Atallah suggesting there would have to be "enhanced compensation," to the players since the number of meaningful games is expanding. "Those are the three real key things for us," Atallah said. Two All-Pros -- Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and Ravens middle linebacker Ray Lewis -- also expressed concern about the long-term impact of playing more regular-season games each season. “I’ve taken part in several postseason runs where we have played 20 games," Brady said. "The long-term impact this game has on our bodies is well documented. Look no further than the players that came before we did. Each player today has to play three years in order to earn five years of post-career health care. Our Union has done a great job of raising the awareness on these issues and will make the right decision for us players, the game and the fans.” Added Lewis: “I’ve been blessed to play this game for so long, but it’s time to start thinking about what legacy and impact changes like this will leave for the players of tomorrow and us after we retire. I know our fans may not like preseason games and I don’t like all of them, but swapping two preseason games for two end-of-season games -- when players already play hurt -- comes at a huge cost for the player and the team.” Murphy was asked about whether salaries would have to escalate under this plan, and the league's contention is that the longer regular season would enhance revenues for all parties, which would increase the amount of money that goes to players, and thus salaries will be higher. Preseason revenues are included in that total pot -- the league points out that the average NFL starter plays just five to six total quarters over those four games -- and, from a league standpoint, whether the players get that compensation over 16 game checks or 18 game checks is somewhat arbitrary. Under the current CBA "players get close to 60 percent of revenue," Murphy said, "and if we grow revenue then they're going to get it. That would be the way we would approach it. It's an opportunity to work together and grow the game and part of it is providing more value to our fans. The quality of our preseasons has really deteriorated over time." That notion of playing two more full games for no additional compensation does not sit well with many players and agents, according to sources, and when asked about the union's reaction to Wednesday's proposal, Murphy deferred to union officials and players. The NFLPA was represented Wednesday by Executive Director DeMaurice Smith, Cornelius Bennett (a union official among retired players) and its legal team. Murphy was the only person from Wednesday's session formally made available to the media. Injuries are the other issue where there is the greatest potential for disagreement. Murphy would not get into the specifics of the league's injury study on the impact of an 18-game season, but said: "The study shows the injury rate does not increase over the course of the season. I think the concern is the cumulative effect if you're playing more, and that's again where I think we really have to be thoughtful about this, and we're going to want the input of players and coaches and the Competition Committee." The league would look at the length of training camps and offseason programs, the number of two-a-days, and also continue researching the best possible equipment innovations to reduce the safety concerns, Murphy said, as well as continue to study possible changes to the rules to ensure greater safety. An 18-game season also would likely come with a one-week break for all teams after the second and final preseason game, larger practice squads and overall roster size, and possibly a return to the old system of injured reserve. Now if a player is put on IR to clear a roster spot, he is out for the season, but in the past he would have to miss at least six weeks. A developmental league is also an idea gaining traction among owners, and could add to the revenue streams as well. NFL Europe went out of existence in 2007, as the game never captured most audiences abroad, but the need to cultivate young talent on and off the field remains. Some very initial proposals have included possibly all teams located in Florida, but regardless the league would be based in the U.S., Murphy said. The project also would serve to develop coaches and officials, Murphy said. "It would be a real positive for us as a league," Murphy said. In general, the league believes that players and teams do not require four weeks of preseason to be prepared, and the declining interest in exhibition football does not sit well with league officials. Adding games to the regular season also increases the ability to play more abroad as well, as the NFL continues its efforts to capture more of the global market. Given the success Goodell has had getting his initiatives passed thus far in his tenure, it would not be surprising to see the enhanced season being a part of the next CBA, with the sides needing to clear several impediments between now and then. "As you look across the NFL and everything we offer," Murphy said, "we really try to provide top quality value to our fans, whether it's the regular season or postseason, the draft and the combine. To me one thing that stands out as being different is the preseason."
It might work if they cut two preseason games and add two regular season ones, but even then, teams who play all the way to the superbowl will be pretty heavily taxed.
This looks like a move to devalue players without necessitating a cap. Small market teams don't like salary caps because there are minimum caps as well as maximum caps. Large market teams . . . well that's obvious. An eighteen game season, however, with increased roster sizes makes the NFL season into a marathon where depth is far more valuable than star power. Paying star players big bucks would be that much more of a gamble, and thus that much more of a stupid move. It would deflate the contract sizes of free agents and players coming up from a developmental league would take any contract to play in the NFL rather than playing for the Podunk Pirates. The draft could be expanded with the developmental league as well, killing off UDFA's abilities to choose their teams. You REALLY think the players' union is going to approve of this? The only win-win here is increased attendance for those two extra games that used to be preseason games (IF they go with switching the games rather than just adding them, which was mentioned as a "possibility" in the article) which plays into the revenue sharing with the players, but salary-wise they're not earning anything more. I don't expect this. Rather, I don't expect the NFLPA to approve of this.
There are already so many injuries and players wear down over the course of the season, this would be stupid. 16 games is enough to know which deserve the playoffs....this wouldn't be fair to the players. Just a selfish move to make money.
I agree with the 2 Pre-season + 18 games with 2 bye weeks... but I think it's stupid to have the first bye after the 2 preseason games! They're not going to be physical matches anyways... I'd look to divide the season in 6 games, bye, 6 games, bye, 6 games. This way the players would have more time to heal some injuries. I'd also love a spring developmental league!!! Think about a guy like Kurt Warner... without a developmental league the guy would've kept on bagging groceries instead of being one of the best QBs in the NFL (imo). I'm sure there's a lot of talent out there that just needs to play some games to blossom but can't because in football it's NFL or bust... This is why I like the UFL so much...
Everyone is making more money... so who is the selfish one? OMG come on guys, AT MOST a team would play 22 games (pre-season really doesn't count as wearing down the body... it's an extension of TC). Is that really too much?
I'd love to see 18 games, and watch the preseason with a little more interest, but this is a bad idea. Why dont they fucking work on making sure there is a season next year before they try to get everybody injured.
Goodell backs 18 regular-season games NEW YORK -- Commissioner Roger Goodell says the NFL no longer needs four preseason games, but the league should change its offseason training programs. "It's clear the fans don't want four preseason games," Goodell said Thursday after speaking to high school players at an NFL football clinic in Queens. "It's clear the players don't want four preseason games. They tell me that all the time. You ask them that question and they'll tell you. And we really don't need it to make the game better. So we have to evolve just as we did a couple of decades ago when we went from six preseason games to four." “ It's clear the fans don't want four preseason games. It's clear the players don't want four preseason games. They tell me that all the time. ” -- NFL commissioner Roger Goodell NFL and union officials discussed adding two games to the regular season when they met Wednesday for their first negotiating session since February. Teams would still play a total of 20 games under the proposal. The league would go from four in the preseason and 16 in the regular season to two and 18. Players have expressed concerns about an increase in injuries. Goodell suggested adjustments in the offseason programs could alleviate that. "I think you do have to make changes," he said. "We've been very open about that from Day One. I think we have to do it regardless." Players don't have much of a true offseason these days when they can rest and take a break from football. While certain workouts are technically voluntary, they may not feel that way. "Obviously there's a lot of pressure from teammates and coaches," Goodell said, "so I think we're going to have to have some guidelines and restrictions on what can be done and can't be done in the offseason." The collective bargaining agreement expires in March, which could lead to a work stoppage during the 2011 season. Goodell said he wasn't concerned about the tone of the back-and-forth between the league and the NFL Players Association. "This is a negotiation," he said. "You have to have a dialogue about how to make the game better." Goodell said he still doesn't have enough information to make a decision on possibly disciplining Vince Young. The Tennessee Titans quarterback received a misdemeanor assault citation after a fight early Sunday at a Dallas strip club. Surveillance video footage released by Dallas police showed the quarterback and several people talking in a small room before Young attacked someone in the room. Young has apologized and said he hopes he won't receive a suspension. "Right now we're just gathering facts to make sure we understand all the facts before we make any determination about the next step in our process," Goodell said.
32 extra games a year, and 2 more Jets games a year? How can any fan not want this?? I'd say add 2 more wild-card teams per conference as well... enough of this first round bye nonsense.
i hate this idea 16 games in 17 weeks is the perfect formula and its worked forever why mess with what works 4 preseason games may sound like a ton but the first 2 are useful in giving bench guys a chance to hone there skills and get playing time and the last 2 are good for getting the 1st team ready if u decline it to 2 preseason games you will see alot less undrafted fa's and journey men making impacts
I really don't like the idea - just cut out a preaseason game. Maybe this is a dumb reason but I don't like how every single season record would be broken
Yes because 1978 is soooo long ago. /Sarcasm http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081201094304AASycuZ
I like this idea as well would give a chance for players to prove themselves prior to the beginning of training camps. Almost a minor league for the NFL
I'm with the "drop 2 preseason games and add them to the regular season" crew. Then if coaches need more time to evaluate players for final cut-downs, just double the size of every team's practice squad so they can shuttle guys back and forth as needed. I understand the players' perspective... I'm only saying yes because I'd be psyched about having two extra games each year that actually count.
Yeah. Look at Jim Brown. In his first four years the league had a 12 week regular season. In his final five years the league had a 14 week regular season. He could have played in 26 more games if teams played 16 games per season back then. He would have accumulated more career rushing yards than Curtis Martin. Then, of course, there are all the single season records that would have been different. For years, I have felt that the league and fans should focus more on per game averages than accumulated numbers sort of like how college football and the NBA does it. Look at how the scoring champ is determined- points per game as opposed to total points.