Mark Sanchez making huge strides with his understanding of protections - Manish Mehta

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  1. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    I absolutely agree. Early on we're going to see a very vanilla offense, focusing a lot on getting carries with Green and Tomlinson. Once the season wears on a bit though, and Holmes is back in the starting lineup, I expect the playbook to become wide open.

    I've actually always despised USC, but I want an air attack. That's how you win Super Bowls. Having an awesome defense is great, and a ball-controlling offense is nice, but points win games.

    As for stuffing this all down his throat, what people are failing to realize is that Sanchez eats this stuff up. You encourage that. If he's willing to spend ridiculous amounts of time in film rooms and the gym, and pours over the playbook before going to sleep at night, you give him more! Even if he doesn't grasp it then, it will pay off later.

    That's what you get from an intelligent QB. Couple that with an arm that can make the throws, and you have the guy every Jets fan hoped Chad Pennington would be.
     
  2. abyzmul

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    I'm not so sure we'll be total ground and pound against the Ravens. Baltimore now has a lineup that can do a lot to stymie our running game early - Sanchez is going to have to be able to take advantage of their less than superior cornerbacks.

    I still think we will try to run it a lot in 2010, but it will be closer to 50/50 than I had first expected.
     
  3. rmagedon

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    That's true. That Baltimore front 7 looks nasty. I was speaking more in generalities. I just don't think we should dump the GnP game as most people are saying. Shonn is a bruiser. He will wear down D's. LT wasn't just signed to pass block, McKnight can take it to the house from anywhere on the field and Conner (I think) will be our McClain. I know ppl want to exploit all that talent in the passing game now that we got it this year, but I think we have just as good enough talent on the running game as well.
     
  4. MBGreen

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    The way the offense played last season (the run-first approach) and with the offseason acquisitions the Jets made thus far....I believe the Jets are using the 2007 Giants as a blueprint:

    -stifiling defense
    -GnP run offense (Greene, Tomlinson, McKnight)...with a vertical threat (Edwards or Holmes...take your pick)
    -dominating offensive line
    -young QB coming into his own


    The Giants went thru the same growing pains with Eli, but when the playoffs rolled around, he was making good plays. They had a vicious pass rush (Osi, Tuck, F.Robbins, Kiwanuka, Strahan), serviceable LBs and a decent secondary. Plus, they had a top tier running game (Earth, Wind, Fire) to couple with a deep threat (P.Burress).

    correct me if i'm wrong...but our current roster of talent and approach is built eerily similar....with a few subtle differences (eg we run a 3-4)
     
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    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    the main difference would be that our defense is basically flipped on its head. strong secondary, very good linebackers, serviceable line.(if jenkins can stay healthy it's more than serviceable)
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Well, our pass rush is not vicious unless we are sending 5+ most times, and the Giants were able to send 4 and dominate. But their corners weren't half as good as what ours is looking to be, so right now we'll be able to get away with the overloads.
     
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    If you think about Sanchez doing all this in his first NFL offseason, and by all accounts he is into it and eager, imagine how little Jamarcus Russel must know about his position.
     
  8. MBGreen

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    good observation....


    I'm hoping with the addition of J.Taylor and Jenkins making his return....our pass rush will improve without having to rely on sending 5+ to do some damage.
     
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    Mark my words, Vernon Gholston is going to be the biggest difference maker in our pass rush. Yes, I'm going out on that limb.

    He won't get sacks, but I'm predicting he collapses the pocket often enough that the LBs behind him get into the backfield.
     
  10. MBGreen

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    I never thought i'd say this....hell, part of me wants to see how he does in TC/preseason first.....but I agree with you about Vernon, Alio. I think the Jets may actually get some value out of that guy this year.

    I'm hoping Rex is on to something with this position switch. But VG also has to make an "attitude switch"....to be effective.
     
  11. Mambo9

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    Sorry to disagree but... let's just say I would have been much happier if Vernon's dad would've learned a bit more about "protections" some 20+ years ago...!
     
  12. MBGreen

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    you could be right.


    I'll take the wait n' see approach in TC......
     
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    sorry for derailing the thread guys......

    back to the Sanchez talk.
     
  14. Jets n Boys

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    Manish Mehta is the shit!
     
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    A lot of people won't be able to judge Gholston properly next year at DE. Mainly because they'll look at his stat sheet and see lil' to no sacks. Collapsing the pocket on a pass play will be a whole lot easier to see. What I'm gonna look for in his play is on running plays to his side. How he's able to stretch those run plays further to the outside and how quickly he disengages or sheds his block to take on other blockers like a FB or a pulling G. That will be key in his game. I wouldn't be surprised if teams run in his direction all game long. Hopefully, they won't find much success, but that's really how I'm going to judge him in TC/PS.
     
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    Well, as much as we know Rexy, he would still send 5+ even if we had the best pass rush in the NFL. He just wants to punch someone in the face himself. Them lucky Dolphags got away with just a bird-flip.
     
  17. AlioTheFool

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    As MB said, sorry to derail, but I'll address this post since it makes good points.

    As I've said all along, no matter what, Gholston haters are still going to dislike him after this coming season, no matter how well he performs at his new position. There will be no statistical evidence to back up any thoughts of improved performance. His job, and one I firmly believe he's going to excel at, will be to take up blockers and allow our athletic LBs to put the hits on the QB.

    As for Gholston in the running game, I'd say you should be prepared for disappointment. To begin with, I don't see Rex giving him a lot of opportunity against the run (unless he surpasses even my own expectations in the pass defense phase) but more than that, I don't see him having the ability at this point to cover the run game.

    I've never disputed the notion that Gholston's instincts are poor. That will hinder him in the ground coverage game. His instincts have little impact on his ability to "out-strength" opposing offensive linemen though. That's where his raw physical talent is going to allow him to excel.

    As far as his future, I hope he gains the ability to react. I just don't think this will be the year it happens, if ever. He'll be splitting time with Ellis this year anyway though, so it works out fine.
     
  18. rmagedon

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    I won't derail this thread either, but your post leaves me wondering a couple of things. I have a feeling this won't be the last time Gholston will be discussed on this board, so, this discussion can certainly wait. Carry on.
     
  19. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Continue the discussion here: http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=56829&page=3
     
  20. Jersey Joe 67

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    Absolutly agree.
    The thing that seperates the good players from the great ones is their dedication and preperation.
    Sanchez has that burning desire to be great which,IMO, our FO/CS saw in him before the draft and therefore cemented the deal for us to move up and make him our franchise QB.:up:
     

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