Premises: 1) I DON'T want to trade up using picks... be it this year's picks or next year's. I think we need them. 2) The only player that might be of interest to other teams in a trade scenario is Leon Washington. Questions: How much can we trade up in rd1 by offering our #29 + Leon? How much can we trade up in rd2 by offering our #61 + Leon? Same question with our 4th rder... PS: I disagree on the fact that we must look at the VALUE CHART as if it was something divine. The biggest reason for teams to be wary of giving us a 3rd rounder for Leon is that they feel they can draft a guy who will contribute to their team in the long run without worrying about if he comes back from the injury or not. If we use Leon just to trade up a bit teams might be willing to take the risk because they still will be able to draft a guy... just a bit lower than with their initial pick.
Washington has little to no value anymore. I think we might be able to package him with someone like Faneca or Thomas to move up a few spots in the first. Notice how I said a few... The only player I see the Jets trading up for now is Maurkice Pouncey...if he makes it into the 20s, I think Tannenbaum will go after him.
It depends on what value you think Leon could bring in a trade. looking at this offseason and seeing much more productive players without the injury question mark going for: 3rd (Boldin) 2nd (McNabb) two 2nds (Marshall) 5th(Holmes) 4th (Rhodes) I think its fair to say that Leon would impact a new club in the area of Rhodes more than anyone else on the list. Holems' value was so low due to off feild concerns.You start to see that the Value for a guy like Leon is not that High at all. I would place his value on the open market at somewhere beterrn a mid 4th and a mid 5th. I'll call it 45 points on the chart, or valued as the next to last pick in the 4th round. By that estinmation you would get from 29 to 27 on chart calue using leon in the first or from 61 to 57 in the second. In other words, Leon alone will not get you all that much. Our 4th rounder contains about the same amount of value.
Just checked... to jump to 24, ahead of BAL, the Eagles would have to value Leon as a high 4th rounder if they'd accept him for their pick. I guess it's in the realm of possibility.
While I agree that Leon won't help us climb more than a few spots in rd 1 (which might be all we need to draft Iupati or Odrick btw) I think he would help us make a significant jump in the top 15 picks of rd 2 (dealing our #61 of course).
Check the draft value chart. You will need to assign a value to leon, such as the middle of the 3rd round. Assuming that is his value to another team, that's about 200 points. Each spot between 29 and 21 goes up 20 points. (29 is 640, 28 is 660) The next 10 or so slots starting at 20 go up points each slot. 200 points get us to about the 20th pick. Our 4th round pick is worth 50 points, so 250 points gets us to 18-19.
Maybe. It's looking like Mike Iupati will be an Oakland Raider after tomorrow night. Crazy Al's about pull off some more dumb shit.
I disagree on the fact that we must look at the VALUE CHART as if it was something divine. The biggest reason for teams to be wary of giving us a 3rd rounder for Leon is that they feel they can draft a guy who will contribute to their team in the long run without worrying about if he comes back from the injury or not. If we use Leon just to trade up a bit teams might be willing to take the risk because they still will be able to draft a guy... just a bit lower than with their initial pick.
Trading up using Leon for anyone other than Mathews, means we're going RB in the 2nd. And to move up for Mathews would take a huge leap, so it's not plausible, IMO. We don't have a 3rd, and what acceptable RB prospects are there in the 4th? Blount? Scott? Both busts, IMO. I'd rather keep Leon or trade him straight up for a mid round pick, than be forced into going RB in the 2nd. There are good 2nd round prospects, but I'd rather not be forced to pick based on need. Being able to go BPA every round is the best position to be in.
Its not "something devine" but a good starting point for the exact question you asked. Its used in some form or another in several sports. No, it is nto the only answer, but it gives a good common basis for discussion of a players "Value" in a trade. It puts a number on them. Leon is not worht a third because teams feel they can draft similar or superior talent that is younger and cheaper in that round. Same may be said of the front half of the 4th. Your not getting many spots in the 1st or second round for a guy most teams is below a third round value and the chart numbers back that up. Leon is not going to move you far. 15 spots in the second as was said above I highly doubt. 4 to 5 spots? Maybe. His value is extremely low. If he can't work out he can not pass a physical and has little use to any team besides the Jets right now.
I mean, there are obviously "holes" on the value chart. For example, would you trade the 15th, 16th, and 17th picks all for the #1 pick? I absolutely would not, but that's an "equal value trade". It's fine as a starting point, though.
NFL Draft Value Chart Code: Rd 1 -- Rd 2 - Rd 3 - Rd 4 -- Rd 5 --- Round 6- Round 7- Comp Picks # - pts P# pts P# pts pk# pts pk# pts. Pk# pts. Pk# pts. Pk# pts. 1. 3000 33 580 65 265 097 112 129 43.0 161 28.0 193 15.2 225 2.90 2. 2600 34 560 66 260 098 108 130 42.0 162 27.6 194 14.8 226 2.80 3. 2200 35 550 67 255 099 104 131 41.0 163 27.2 195 14.4 227 2.70 4. 1800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40.0 164 26.8 196 14.0 228 2.60 5. 1700 37 530 69 245 101 096 133 39.5 165 26.4 197 13.6 229 2.50 6. 1600 38 520 70 240 102 092 134 39.0 166 26.0 198 13.2 230 2.40 7. 1500 39 510 71 235 103 088 135 38.5 167 25.6 199 12.8 231 2.30 8. 1400 40 500 72 230 104 086 136 38.0 168 25.2 200 12.4 232 2.20 9. 1350 41 490 73 225 105 084 137 37.5 169 24.8 201 12.0 233 2.10 10 1300 42 480 74 220 106 082 138 37.0 170 24.4 202 11.6 234 2.00 11 1250 43 470 75 215 107 080 139 36.5 171 24.0 203 11.2 235 1.90 12 1200 44 460 76 210 108 078 140 36.0 172 23.6 204 10.8 236 1.80 13 1150 45 450 77 205 109 076 141 35.5 173 23.2 205 10.4 237 1.70 14 1100 46 440 78 200 110 074 142 35.0 174 22.8 206 10.0 238 1.60 15 1050 47 430 79 195 111 072 143 34.5 175 22.4 207 9.60 239 1.50 16 1000 48 420 80 190 112 070 144 34.0 176 22.0 208 9.20 240 1.40 17 0950 49 410 81 185 113 068 145 33.5 177 21.6 209 8.80 241 1.30 18 0900 50 400 82 180 114 066 146 33.0 178 21.2 210 8.40 242 1.20 19 0875 51 390 83 175 115 064 147 32.6 179 20.8 211 8.00 243 1.10 20 0850 52 380 84 170 116 062 148 32.2 180 20.4 212 7.60 244 1.00 21 0800 53 370 85 165 117 060 149 31.8 181 20.0 213 7.20 245 0.95 22 0780 54 360 86 160 118 058 150 31.4 182 19.6 214 6.80 246 0.90 23 0760 55 350 87 155 119 056 151 31.0 183 19.2 215 6.40 247 0.85 24 0740 56 340 88 150 120 054 152 31.8 184 18.8 216 6.00 248 0.80 25 0720 57 330 89 145 121 052 153 31.2 185 18.4 217 5.60 249 0.75 26 0700 58 320 90 140 122 050 154 30.8 186 18.0 218 5.20 250 0.70 27 0680 59 310 91 136 123 049 155 30.4 187 17.6 219 4.80 251 0.65 28 0660 60 300 92 132 124 048 156 30.0 188 17.2 220 4.40 252 0.60 29 0640 61 292 93 128 125 047 157 29.6 189 16.8 221 4.00 253 0.55 30 0620 62 284 94 124 126 046 158 29.2 190 16.4 222 3.60 254 0.50 31 0600 63 276 95 120 127 045 159 28.8 191 16.0 223 3.30 255 0.45 32 0590 64 270 96 116 128 044 160 28.4 192 15.6 224 3.00 256 0.40
It's absolutely not worth trading up using Leon considering how little trade value he has coming off of a big injury. If he's healthy and returns 100%, he'll again be a major play-maker for this team and we'll all feel pretty dumb for wanted to trade him so badly. I'm not sure how big this IF is, however. At this point it would be a mistake to move him IMO
This trade may seem a little odd but a trade like this could be interesting, first off i know this thread is about trading up but also its about trading Leon so yeah anyways how about this: Jets trade the #29th pick, #124th, and Leon for Lions #34th ,#66th and maybe #220 if there feeling generous. We move back but only 5 spots and trade a 4th but acquire a high 2nd , high 3rd, and a mid-7th and get decent value for Leon. Lions trade up to get a Guard or Tackle like Pouncey, Charles Brown, Campbell or a lineman that possibly falls before a team like the Vikes, Colts, Saints, or Rams pick them up (all looking for Olineman) , while acquiring a speedy RB with experience that they've been wanting to Acquire this season.
