I'm going with Griffen only because I'm thinking ahead towards next season and that Tanny will get us a 3-4 DE next season. By taking Odrick this season that will almost ruin our chances of us getting one next season and frankly that just upsets me.
A lot of people don't even know Rod Wright is on the team. He was a top ten talent a few years back that slipped because of a very serious shoulder injury. I think he'll be a very solid rotational end. He has starting experience in the 3-4 as well.
That's really interesting, I was one of the people who had no idea he was on the team. Unfortunately, according to Wiki, he hasn't really done anything in the NFL and was cut by the dolphins. Maybe he'll continue to develop under Rex, he could be a huge asset if he develops into quality depth. Something I think we're really lacking on both lines.
Wright missed his entire rookie season while he recovered from the shoulder injury. He played in 13 games and started 9 of them in 2007. I'm not really sure why no one picked him up after he was waived in 2009. He was cut really late in the off-season...that could have something to do with it. The guy's 6'5 300 pounds and he's only 25 years old.
Everson Griffen is not a sure thing at 3-4 OLB and I think his game better suits the 4-3 as a DE. Jared Odrick is a prototypical 3-4 DE that can slide inside on 3rd downs to provide extra pass rush. He's what we need, and he's better than any other 3-4 DE prospect we could get in the draft. As a 3-4 OLB, I don't see much difference between a guy like Griffen and Thaddeus Gibson -- Griffen may be the more explosive athlete but Gibson is better suited to play LB, was a LB earlier in career and has experience in coverage. Gibson will be there in the 2nd, and so might a guy like Ricky Sapp, Jason Worilds, or Koa Misi. I'd rather come away with Odrick and Gibson (or one of the other 3) than Griffen and a later DE prospect like Corey Wootton. I just don't see Griffen projecting well to 3-4 OLB -- he'd be best as a 4-3 DE with his hand in the dirt.
I guess I'm mildly surprised Odrick beat Griffen, but I'm shocked he won by such a wide margin. I thought for sure this would be a very close vote either way.
I think when theres any question whether a player will be able to play OLB effectively then almost every single Jets fan will want to pass on him after Gholston.
You'd be a total moron to compare Gibson to Robinson, and since you're not a total moron I know you're just saying that to be classic Mr. E, annoying and douchey. Gibson has been moving up draft boards since declaring for the draft and he'd be a great pick at the bottom of the 2nd round. He's a good pass rusher who is a linebacker first and defensive end second, and much like Clay Matthews last year out of USC, he was overshadowed by his teammates on the defensive side of the ball. He's got a ton of scouting reports, but here's just some clippings from NFLDraftScout: "03/14/10 - Thaddeus Gibson was the Buckeyes player most of the 29 NFL teams on hand came to see at Ohio State's pro day workouts Friday. He did not disappoint. The Pittsburgh Steelers were the most visibly interested. They were in full force, with Kevin Colbert, VP of football operations, leading a contingent that included defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau and two other coaches. As if sensing their presence, Gibson, of Euclid, entered the Woody Hayes Athletic Center wearing black sweat pants, a gold hoodie sweat shirt and black-and-gold shoes. He was determined to improve his draft stock by showing he can handle the demanding outside linebacker position in a 3-4 defense, and he did. "He did good. Definitely helped himself," said one scout. Gibson said he believed his two 40-yard dashes were in the 4.5s, but the scout later said a more accurate clocking was in the low 4.6s. That was impressive enough. He also was very good in the linebacker drills with everyone watching closely, including OSU coach Jim Tressel. "I felt the jitters. But I think I had a pretty good day," Gibson said. "That was the biggest thing, could I play outside linebacker? There's no doubt in my mind. I'm sure there's no doubt in [NFL coaches'] minds that I can do it." Gibson is projected to go in the second or third round by most draft scout services. - Tony Grossi, The Cleveland Plain Dealer 03/13/10 - TOP RATED NFL DRAFT SCOUT OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS: *Thaddeus Gibson, Ohio State, 6-2, 243, 2-3: As a college defensive end, he had 10 career sacks and 25 tackles for a loss, but he might be more productive as an outside rush linebacker in the pros. When the NFL advisory committee projected him as a second-round prospect in January, he said he opted to enter the draft in order to help pay family medical bills. His natural athletic ability is obvious, but scouts wonder how quickly he will be able to diagnose and react properly when confronted with complex NFL offenses. His strong point is as a fluid pass rusher in open space, but he needs to show the ability to disengage when a blocker gets on him. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com/CBS Sports/USA TODAY 03/13/10 - Comfort might not mean everything — but it means a lot. A few weeks after struggling through the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis, Ohio State defensive end Thaddeus Gibson took advantage of pro day at the cozy confines of the Woody Hayes Athletic Center to improve his draft stock. Gibson, a Euclid product, said he ran somewhere between 4.51 and 4.57 in his two 40-yard dashes in front of a slew of NFL coaches, a vast improvement over the 4.72 he ran at the NFL combine a few weeks back. To a man, each player who emerged from the workouts and was asked which teammate had the best day, brought up Gibson’s name. “Thaddeus looked good,” senior defensive lineman Robert Rose said. “Thaddeus always looks good.” There was no official timing device at OSU’s pro day like there was in Indianapolis. But there is little doubt that Gibson’s improvement in the 40 could push him from a projected second- or third-round pick to a possible first-round selection. “Oh, I hope so,” Gibson said. “I won’t know until April 22. ’Til that point, I’ve got to keep working and keep dreaming.” Shortly before 10:30 a.m., Gibson emerged from the locker-room area wearing a gold hooded sweatshirt, black sweatpants, and black-and-gold shoes. Ironically, the most heavily represented team at Friday’s workouts was the team that wears those colors — the Pittsburgh Steelers. Pittsburgh’s contingent included defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau, General Manager Kevin Colbert and a pair of scouts who conducted the linebacker drills in which Gibson participated. Gibson called his wardrobe choice coincidental, but added, “If they liked it, I love it.” Pittsburgh owns the 18th pick in the first round. Gibson’s performance Friday could show the Steelers — or another team — that he his versatile enough to play in a 3-4 defense as an outside linebacker or in a 4-3 defense as an end. - John Kampf, The News-Herald 03/05/10 - 2010 NFL COMBINE RISER: Thaddeus Gibson OLB Ohio State; With 34 of the 39 defensive end prospects invited to the also taking part in linebacker drills, clearly scouts are putting a greater focus on identifying which collegiate ends can make the transition to the rush linebacker position for the 3-4. According to feedback from scouts, Gibson was arguably the most impressive athlete making this conversion. The 6-2, 243-pounder registered a 4.27 in the short shuttle and a 6.84 in the 3-cone drill designed to show burst and quick change of direction. Gibson's times ranked among the top 10 in defensive line and linebacker drills. - Rob Rang, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com " Hopefully Gibson is drafted by a team that uses a 3-4 as OLB is the position that will best suit his skill set in the NFL. 5 of the 7 teams that have brought him in for a workout use the 3-4, including the Ravens, Steelers, Chiefs, Cowboys, and Browns. I would not be surprised at all if Gibson was not available at the Jets 2nd round pick, but it wouldn't shock me either if he fell to the 3rd.
Odrick and its not even close. I don't think we'll get within 5 picks of him unless other teams make big mistakes.
Ordick I'd rather have Odrick at DE and take my chances on Thomas or Taylor or 2nd or 3rd rounder or The Ghost at OLB.
Griffin... I like both players, but I think Griffin has a chance to be great in this system. I know its a risk because he is awful in coverage, but that can be taught, the way he gets after the QB cannot. His potential is so high and to get him late first would be a steal. I know no one wants the next Gholston, but we are in a position to take a minor risk. Odrick is a nice player. However, I think that he is a bit overrated. I just dont see the difference between him and a guy like Cam Thomas/Arthur Jones or others that will be available in the later rounds.
^^^what he said. Id love odrick but he isnt going to be available. Ill take a supreme talent high motor guy like e. griffen or even a talented corner like d.mccourty at 29, and bank on picking up cam thomas in the 2nd, or joseph if he falls, or a.jones in the 3rd or 4th. Last resort is picking up vince o way later.
From the Jets official site they got Griffen picked in their recent mock (4/19/10). Even they say hes got effort and commitment problems and after Gholston shit leaves me cautious.
Yeah, I really don't understand all of this Griffen love. He's big and fast and strong, but his flaws are of the worst nature. Lacks motivation... takes plays off... legal trouble... disappears in games... inconsistant... doesn't anticipate or read plays well... struggles with the mental side. Kerry Rhodes had all the talent in the world, but his attitude, and effort weren't there this year so we dumped him. Why bring on more guys like that? I am hoping that the talk about our scouting is true, and we ignore his 32 reps and 4.6 40 and look at his film alone. We rolled the dice with some guys with Character concerns this off season- lets not draft one too.
I don't understand where the taking plays off shit came from. The guy goes full speed all game at 275 to 280 pounds...of course he's going to get tired. Griffen won't able to come into this league and be a big time 3-4 OLB, he'll have to develop into one...but he fits the mold of a Rex Ryan OLB - big, strong, fast, and versatile. Griffen could play a role very similar to the one Terrell Suggs plays in Baltimore.
It is very easy to make that statement about his lack of a motor. You look at the guy, the tools he has, the physical dominance he should display, and he never really has. Maybe he is a late bloomer, but I think he is the next VG if he goes to a 3-4 team. I think he can excell in a 4-3, and he might be a good OLB in a 3-4, I don't think the Jets are would be willing to find out. The dude clearly takes play off just based from the potential he should have, he should have been a very dominate force in college, he just wasn't. Atleast not to the point he should've been. As I'm sure you already know, he was a very highly regarded recruit coming out of HS, he was supposed to dominate with authority, do you think he lived up to his expectations in college? If not, do you really think he will live up to anything at the next level? I think he also has the mold to be a bust. Just like, VG.
