That is one of the reasons that I wouldn't want Leon going there for less than a 2nd rounder. Even if they trade away Brown so White can take over the Wildcat formation, having Leon there would only make it more dangerous. We've seen what he can do from that formation with the Jets, now just imagine him as a potential handoff/pitch/receiving option for White. Fuck it, match the offer and demand a 1st. . If the Jets lose Leon for a 2nd, then I can almost guarantee that they would pursue either Jahvid Best(if he's still there in the 2nd) or Dexter McCluster to fill his slot. Getting Belichick from the Jets after we stole Parcells didn't really smooth things over for the Patriots fans. More likely, it'll just lead to a bunch more TGG posters getting banned from Finheaven.
How quick Jets fans are to turn on their heroes. I for one would love to keep Leon, yeah it sucks that he wants more money, but who doesn't? What happens if Greene gets hurt(Which he is prone to do). You really think a broken down Tomlinson(I refuse to call him LT) is going to be able to handle the load? I sure as hell don't. And while B. Smith is a decent returner Leon is a beast! If he's healthy, which from what I've heard he is, we need to keep him. This is going to wind up being another Pete Kendall debacle.
No it won't. Having two RBs more capable of being true RBs ahead of Leon makes this far from any Pete Kendall debacle. I'm quick to blame that petty shit on Mangini, but I do think Tanny will never make a decision like that ever again.
. Oh id be certain wed draft a HB in the first 2 rounds also. Still theres no guarantees about how successful they'll be. I mean Darren McFadden and Reggie Bush people went nuts over in the draft, and neither has even come close to the hype. Yeah but thats coaches, I think with individual players you can see the direct impact. I mean if Taylor joined us best case scenario is he plays a decent amount of snaps and maybe gets 6-10 sacks on the year. Where as if they got Leon he could (if he returns to form) instantly become the best player on their offense. Itd be like us giving the Pats BThomas, but then we nab like Bodden or Wilfork from them.
1)Shonn Greene is the starting RB. 2) The Jets went 5-4 without Leon. 4-3 with him 3) The Jets went 2-1 in the playoffs without him 4) Jets fans OVERRATE Leon's value.
Yay, another self-righteous fan argument. He had never been hurt until last season. Yea, his running style lends him to it but that doesn't mean that it's a guarantee. You're right, Tannenbaum is an idiot for bringing him in. He should be fired for that move alone. Did you completely forget that there is this thing called the draft in 9 days where the Jets can procure more players. Where did you hear he was healthy? So far there haven't been any reports that he has began running yet, something that the most recent reports about his health explicitly mentioned he couldn't do outside of a pool. Are you really comparing losing the #3 RB on the roster before the draft to losing a starting guard in August? Leon is peripheral part of the offense right now.
Reggie Bush has come into his own as a runner this season. He went from a 3.7 yard average over his first three seasons to 5.6 in 2009. Prior to that he was still a great KR and pass catcher with 742 yards receiving in his rookie season which is pretty much the role McCluster would be filling for the Jets. He was obviously a disappointment due to being drafted #2 overall, but part of that is due to the fact that the Saints' offensive staff, Payton included, tried to force him into a role in which he was not suited. They thought he could be a feature back, which he clearly couldn't, and tried too much to run him off guard or off center. Once they had the right platoon in place, Bush flourished. That's the role that the Jets would use McCluster for. As for McFadden, look at who drafted him. When the team most interested in you is the Raiders, you know something is wrong.
That's not true. He had injuries at Iowa, too. I'd actually suggest the injury problems with all 3 current RBs would serve YOUR argument better than HIS, though, since we have no clue whether Leon is going to be able to stay healthy and productive either.
Option A: If he lasted two more picks, Schottenheimer could have worked wonders with him in 2006 before "operation slow down" had to be implemented so Clemens and Favre wouldn't fry their brains trying to learn the playbook. or Option B: If he lasted two more picks then Jets fans might be bitching about how shitty the left tackle position is, assuming we still went after Clemens in the 2nd. I wouldn't have wanted him in the first so I probably would have been bitching about his running ability until 2009 when he took a huge leap. You're right, he missed 4 games over 2 years. Still, we got spoiled with Curtis Martin. I don't think it's very likely that the Jets will find another HB who can stay healthy so consistently. Not in the current game, anyway.
Sorry If I have some loyalty to players I like and who have played their hearts out for the Jets. What are you talking about, he got hurt several times in College, in fact that was one of the knocks on him during the draft. Typical strawman arguement, let's blow what I said completely out of proportion. I'd rather not waste our few draft picks on a RB when we have one we know is good and can return as well. To be honest I forget the source now, I just remember reading that they said he would be healthy for the season. I'll see if I can find it. First he's at least #2, Tomlinson is nowhere near as good as he was I hope he surprises us and steps it up but I doubt it. I'm comparing losing an impact player without a good backup over money. I like Greene alot but it's a big question on wether he will be healthy all year or not. For a team that has been so run focused as us, it makes sense to have at least two solid RB's.
Well have more than 2 HBs if Leon goes. If Leon goes we draft a perfectly healthy HB in the first 2 rounds. Instead of having a HUGE injury risk in Leon who is coming off a potential career ending injury. Your arguement makes the point that we should replace Leon with someone healthy. And I doubt Leon is that essential to our offense. Hes #3 on the fricken depth chart for a reason
I believe you're referring to Bush, while the original post was referring to Darren McFadden, according to the last sentence.
Why the red font? Are you getting angry over this? As Cato said, you draft a RB if Leon leaves. That's not wasting a draft pick. That's a zero sum. Either way, Tomlinson IS #2 this season. That's been stated over and over again by the coaching staff. I happen to think he's well suited to the role. I'd love to see Leon return, have a solid season, and get his long term deal. However, his opportunity is going to be limited, his agent is a pain in the ass, and he's already passed up one fair deal (allegedly) to extend his contract with us. If we can get a solid RB under contract cheaply for 4 years as a 2nd rounder, and if Leon's not going to get the opportunities he needs to stay with the team past this season, why wouldn't you take it?
Yar I was suggesting we would of likely drafted McFadden had he been on the board @ #6 (where we drafted Gholston). Instead he got picked up 2 picks earlier by the Raiders. Oh wow we picked up da Brick 2 picks after Bush got taken too. Didnt notice that
Woops, my bad. For some reason, I thought 2008 went Chiefs, Raiders, Jets instead of Raiders, Chiefs, Jets.
How about a conditional pick in 2011. No less than a 5th. Maybe a 4th. Love Leon. Love what he brought to this team. Loved everything i ever heard him say. All around love. His agent can lick my ballsack. Get rid of one you get rid of the other.
Thats terrible. Absolute worst case scenario we give him up for a 3rd this year to a terrible team (thus not competition, and we get an early 3rd) And then maybe tack on a conditional for 2011 giving us an 6th-4th rounder depending on his performance
