Just because the Phins offer it does not mean he has to sign it. I doubt Keels would let an offer sheet with those numbers on it come near Leon. He would send that sheet back until it had the minimum numbers he is trying to get for Leon.
But what would these numbers even be? No more then 4-5mil a year since thats what the Jets were offering him last year when he WAS healthy. I doubt any team would want him anymore then that? and I just through out a number there. The Doplhins could even offer a 4yr 17 mil ( 4.25 a year) and I think Keels would accept that since its in his " price range" .
and in turn Leon will be a Jet next year playing for only $1 million plus. Maybe that is Keel's plan -- play one more year, again, with a one year contract and show everyone what he is really worth and get the big payday next year they were anticipating getting this year.
And he turned down those numbers when he was healthy. He might be willing to accept them now, I have no idea. The way he's talking right now, it looks like Leon just wants to get the Hell out of New York so he could be willing to take less in order to leave, but if that is the case then he is probably looking for numbers that the Jets won't match. If Leon cannot pull an offer sheet he likes before the draft then I really think that the Jets are going to try and move him on draft day. They might be able to pull in a 3rd or late 2nd round pick for him, or maybe they could move up one or two spots with the 1st and Leon in order to grab someone who managed to fall farther than expected. Either way, I really think that Leon is playing for another team in 2010.
Exactly. Keels has create an absolutely terrible situation for his client. If he'd accepted the fair offer made last season, we'd have had to try to make Leon a big part of the offense. Now? The current gameplan isn't well suited to him.
that certainly could be the direction Keels is going in.....but Leon could get injured again next season. Do you think Alvin/Leon would take that risk again if they're offered the same type of deal from Miami?
I agree. having Leon makes us better than not if his departure does not come with compensation. but if his departure comes with compensation, the Jets can be better with that compensation if it is a more vital need than a third RB than they will be with Leon as a third RB, and I think the Jets would be if that is the direction they go in. they are talking about going in with the three RB's the same way they were talking about how Rhodes was in their plans for next season -- just posturing.
But I'm not as I have said all along unless they know he will never be the same it will be foolish to let him go. It's people infatuated w/ the draft and acquiring draft picks, if jenkins was a RFA they'd be saying the same things about him. The bottom line is while we did well w/o those 2 players they are still extremely important to our success. Again, it's easy to blame the guy who isn't here anymore but we don't know for sure who made that call. The guy running the draft gets the credit for good picks and takes the heat for bad ones and Mangini wasn't running our draft. Anyone who wants to get rid of proven, young talent for the unknown of a draft pick needs a clinical evaluation. Should the Yankees have traded Damon and Matsui at the deadline last year? They got nothing in return for them this year, right?
Quit putting words in my mouth...i said if the Jets are going to lose Leon to UFA next year...it would be prudent for them to get some sort of compensation...rather than nothing at all. And i could give a shit if the Yankees sponataneously combust. I hate them. Besides...Damon and Matsui are both senior citizens. Apples and Oranges again, junc......keep up the good work.
you're missing the point. nobody wants to simply get rid of him for a draft pick. if he had several years left on his contract, nobody would be saying trade him. but he is a free agent, so the interest in trading him isn't simply because they prefer a draft pick, the interest is they prefer a draft pick to the alternatives which are either him signing with another team and getting nothing or overpaying him which will negatively affect the Jets ability to sign additional players that actually may be more valuable than a 3rd RB/KR.
I'm not putting words in your mouth. Everey comparison is apples and ornages b/c it exposes the foolish thinking to want to get rid of leon. I give you jenkins and I'm told it's apples and oranges b/c he's not a RFA, I show an example from baseball w/ 2 FAs and it's apples and oranges. It's the exact same thing, we think leon can help us win this year just like Damon and Matsui helped the Yanks win last year. You draft players to build Championship teams and leon can be a major part of one if he is around this year and things break right but you'd rather have a crapshoot of a draft pick so yuo can have fun w/ mock drafts.
1. Jets D as a whole did NOT do well in absence of Jenkins. If Jenkins had been available during the playoff, I seriously don't think Colts could have pulled off their win after being down by a TD early in the 2nd quarter. Do NOT give me that #1 defense shit. This defense could be better. You know it, I know it, and the whole world knows it. Remember - if Jets had any semblance of a wide body at NT position, their run D wouldn't have stopped at bare #8. 2. On top of that, *Yes, I gave you the comparison, just for fun.* the importance of a premier NT is NOTHING like an importance of 3rd down scat back. Again, you'd do well to remember that Leon's contribution *and importance along with it* diminished seriously once Pennington left the team. Last, but not least, Ok. Jets didn't have a good protection during 2007 campaign - that's true. Now, you are blindly comparing TJ's average YPC and Leon's average YPC. I just have to question how you can do that - their threat is starkly different, if anything. TJ is not a receiving back out of the backfield that Leon is (1) and Pennington did throw a lot of screen passes to Leon during that time. (2) If you are scheming against Jets O, what do you do when TJ comes on field? Would you do the exact same thing when Leon comes to the field? That's exactly why you are not really fit for a DC job in the league. 3. Last year was year 1 for the Jets players. If you thought they would perform like a well-oiled machine that B'more defense was, then you are simply delusional. On top of that, second game was a fluke loss that ST gave away. Rex stifled dolphags offense thoroughly. I wouldn't mind seeing the stats or W/L records, but at least try to make some effort to go a little deeper than a regular stat jock would.
i don't want to get rid of leon...but there are extenuating circumstances....namely his injury status, he hasn't signed a contract yet on the advice of a retarded agent, and he's an ufa next year that more than likely will walk. How fucking hard is it for you to understand that?! Damon and Matsui are both over the hill.....and not coming off injuries...how the hell is that the same as Leon's situation?!!
But people on here do just want to get rid of him for a draft pick, if they didn't they would be happy a team like Miami could sign him so we couldmatch and he'll be here long term. Leon is more than a 3rd RB, we don't know how the RB situation will shake out. A year ago who knew Leon would get hurt and that would open up more opportunities for Greene? We don't know if Greene can hold up over 16 games, so far he has been injury prone in his limited role, we also don't know if LT still has it. We THINK those guys will be fine but we don't know and adding another rookie RB doesn't help answer questions w/ this group. I just think people get too caught up in playing amateur GM b/c they love the draft that they want picks no matter what. Think back to 1997-1999 and Parcells acquiring all those picks and how awful those drafts were. This is about finding talent and we have a young, talented RB we shouldn't allow to leave.
you think this is about some of us here wanting to play "mock draft guru" and not seeing the whole picture?....are you daft?!! bahahahaha!!! I'm not going to escalate this argument to where it becomes an attack fest.....but know this, junc.....you're NOT seeing the entire situation for what it is. Leon will walk after this season....especially after the FO pulled his contract offer when he got injured. If you think Alvin Keels isn't pulling some strings here....you're mistaken. I want draft compensation for Leon....not because i'm somebody who wants to play "draft guru"....but because i want to get something instead of nothing......bottom line. It's called putting the team first.....
The D was better post jenkins than it was pre-Jenkins. That's not even debateable. Indy scored 30 on us, they could have scored 40+. if jenkins is in and we allow 24-27 we still lose. Leon had a great year in 2008- tell me again where Chad was playing that year? I don't know what you are trying to say w/ that 3rd paragpraph. What about the 1st Miami game? The first one Miami's medicore O destroyed our D w/ Jenkins, the 2nd game our D shut down the Miami O w/o jenkins. AGAIN, I am not saying we are better off w/o jenkins. I am just showing the flawed logic of thinking we are better w/o a certain player b/c we survived w/o them for part of a year. It's on LEON not his agent to sign a deal. How hard is it to understand that if another team signed him to an offer sheet and we match he is under contract for us for years to come? Matsui has been a walking injury for years. You guys claim Leon is getting old for a RB, Damong has 2-3 years left in him and we'd assume Leon has about 3 years or so left in his prime- the situations are very similar according to your flawed logic. it's the same exact thing, 2 players that could help the yankees win in 2009, they could have traded one or both but kept them and won b/c of it. How do we know leon won't be the difference makein reaching a SB? If we did and he left wouldn't it have been worth losing that pick for a SB run?
