This isn't really much of anything, but I will say that the difference between Dumervil and Hughes is that Dumervil gets by because he's very wide with very long arms. Hughes doesn't seem very wide bodied with shorter arms. He really is built a lot like Cactus.
VERY long arms. I remember reading stuff about him when he was dominating at Louisville. Supposedly, Dumervil's wingspan is 6'6. That's freakish for a guy that is MAYBE 5'11. Elvis Dumervil gets ridiculous leverage as well. He's got incredible lower body strength. Just because he's short, doesn't mean he's not powerful.
after seeing him in the drills, my opinion is changing on mr hughes. he also tested and measured pretty well (6'2, 255, 33") my question is, has hughes changed any of your opinions (better, worse) or have they remained the same?
Come on, WW85, you know better. What were the knocks on Gholston coming out of school? Took plays off, right? His heart didn't seem to be in it? Not a lot of experience? Just a bull rusher? As a pro, Gholston takes plays off, his heart doesn't seem to be in it, he has no idea what he's doing and his only pass rush move is a bull rush. If you want to knock Hughes' size, that's one thing. 6'2" is on the smaller size for an edge rusher. But don't applaud the 6'1" Graham who, FTR, admitted himself that he's pretty stiff in the hips and doesn't move well in coverage. Draft Jedi though he may be, I feel like sometimes posters here take Mr. Electric's opinions as gospel truth. Comparing Vernon Gholston, a true one trick pony, to Jerry Hughes, a pretty damn versatile rusher, is insane.
You basically summed up what I was about to post. Hughes != Gholston. I know some may see similarities between the two, perhaps catching a terrible case of Déjà vu, but I don't see it. The "takes plays off" part is really what it comes down to. Hughes' motor is relentless. VG's doesn't exist.
*waves hand/uses force* I'm not comparing Gholston to Hughes. I just don't like Hughes in the Jets' scheme. I made this thread to sum up why I don't want the Jets to draft him. Do I think he's a first rounder? No. Do I think he has the potential and abilities to be a good pass rusher? Yes, but not in this scheme. I'd love to see him prove me wrong though.
Kelly LeBrock. After going undrafted again and failing to reach a contract agreement, she has reentered the draft.
Not for a 3-4 OLB. Woodly from the Steelers is 6'2". Harrison is 6' even. Suggs is 6'3. Banta-Cain is 6'2". Joey Porter 6'3. Plenty of top flight edge rushers in the 3-4 are similarly sized.
Those guys are all incredibly strong and wide bodied. Hughes is much more of a finesse player. I think he'll be able to get after the quarterback in the pros, but only in the 4-3...he reminds me a lot of Robert Mathis of the Colts. Where's the love for Everson Griffen? He's not getting any. Griffen is more physically talented than Hughes by far. He didn't have eye-popping stats, so no one gives a shit about him. He's a much better prospect. If we had to choose between the two, I'd take Griffen with no questions asked.
I understand your arguments against Hughes, but there is one thing that seems wrong. He looks really fluid and balanced in his backpedal, which makes me think he could very easily be a 3-4 OLB. That's the only thing I'm going on, but isn't that kind of the distinguishing feature between a Trent Cole and a DeMarcus Ware?
this is what i saw. he was very fluid when in his backpedal and turns ... the strength at the point of attack argument is a legitimate concern though
when a dude is that dedicated, that accurate, and brings up prospects that are going to impress before we all see them in the combine or wherever, you're allowed to taken that seriously. that being said, I take WW85 opinions just as seriously too. They both deserve it. WW85 got robbed in the voting this year too. That needs to be mentioned as much as Mangini making a power play for Gholston and then waiving his combine numbers in his face. That little story was released recently. we are fucking lucky on this site two have two posters who can tell us so much, because I haven't found poster like these guys on other sites. my .02
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