2011: Lockout ?

I think NFL players should be the highest paid athletes in professional sports. Shortest shelf life, most physically abused and most popular sport. That said, at what point will the salary cap become irrelivent? At what point will smaller market teams say "we're not using all the available cap money?" I don't know. I think the one good thing is how popular football is. Even the shittiest teams can make money, unlike MLB.

 

Coming to NY in 2011: The New York Trumps of the WPFL (We Play Football League.) Populated by a bunch of locked out players claiming that their contracts, which expired in 2009 and 2010 are not legally binding because the only thing that made them so was the collective bargaining agreement between the players and the league that is now 366+ days expired.

Stranger things have happened. The NFL is a very tough buy even for the wealthiest people in the country because the ownership rules are tight and the # of franchises available for sale is limited and the cost of buying in is VERY high.

 

I'll assume you are not one of them, but any Giants, Eagles, or Cowboys fans who put asterisks next to Washington's Super Bowl 17 and 22 victories are complete morons.

Maybe we should put an asterisk next to Lawrence Taylor's 12 sacks in 1987. If we don't count those 12 sacks or put them in a separate category, then Taylor will no longer be among the top 10 leaders in sacks anymore.

Maybe we should put an asterisk next to Reggie White's 21 sacks in 1987.

Maybe we should put an asterisk next to Tony Dorsett's rushing yardage in 1982.

We'd have to think any Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys fans who place asterisks next to Washington's Super Bowl 17 and 22 wins are doing so to needle Redskins fans. It'd be very easy for Redskins fans to fight back, though. Every team in the league those seasons was trying to win. The Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys just weren't good enough.

 

there's a salary floor installed with the cap to protect against that.thats the part the palyers aren't figuring with the cap going away.
the players are a little messed up i.m.h.o. if they agree to a rookie pay scale along with a cap/floor more money is left in the pot for the veterans reupping or available in f.a.

 

A rookie cap is a must in a new CBA. It's getting to a point where some teams don't want to pick in the top 5 because of the outrageous contracts that go along with it. Of course to go along with that, the owners will probably have to concede something. It would be interesting to see something like guaranteed contracts come into play.

 

I think the owners are being a bit greedy, but all parties are guilty. I'll try and touch base on them.

Players: They already make a lot but should be the highest paid athletes because of the short shelf life and the skill positions taking the most abuse (RB, DLine, etc). That being said, the salaries have gone up exponentially in the last couple decades because of the iconic/celebrity status. Its time to real that back in a bit. Besides, if you are making $1mil a year or more, you can afford a REALLY good financial adviser and they should set you up on a savings plan based on your projected playing time, earning ability, etc.

NFLPA: Is requesting more money be given to retired players. Completely fair and the measly "1% of 1%" is a sham and should be increased tenfold. As stated above on the players salaries, the old timers had second jobs in the off season to help make ends meet. The Players of today wouldn't be caught dead having a second job. The older players that are on a pension of $200 month should get a much deserved bump. They have offered an outline for a rookie pay scale - players drafted in top 20 spots get $x+$y if their performance is good, and salaries change based on where players are drafted, vs playing time, vs position played. I think its a good idea. The owners should like that and it sounds like a fair system so teams like don't Eff themselves on players like Gholston and Russell.

Owners: The players make too much money. Well you your the people willing to pay those prices so you kinda indirectly created this players salaries monster. They claim the smaller market teams are loosing money even with the revenue sharing. I have heard numerous interviews hearing that the NFLPA said "open up the books" and if what you claim is true we will concede. Unless the owners have something to hide, whats the problem?

Its kinda like when I do my taxes - I'm not afraid of a possible audit cause I have all my shit together. Should the IRS show up, I'd invite them in and say have fun....

 

In the end I think the sheer greed of the owners will end up being enough to get through to them that a work stoppage would be a huge disaster. It may get pretty close before that happens, unfortunately.

 

Can't wait for Woody to say well FU to all of the fans who bought seats with PSL's because we will lockout the players in 2011 and you will still have to buy full season tickets and pay your share of the PSL's for 3rd and 4th team scab players regardless of the number of games we play.

 

Pretty good home schedule is also slated for the Jets in 2011 with already known opponents the Patriots, Bills and Dolphins plus having home games against the Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants. Will be a shame with a lockout.

 

Would this just be for 2011? or would it extend trough 2012 and on?

It seems kinda dumb if thats the case. Eventually they will have to agree on it, so whats the point of dragging this out until the NFL does actually die...

 

unfortunately it is no longer about playing the game for the fun of it. It is just like any other sport.:shit:

 

That's the last thing you need to worry about - both the players and owners want a cap on rookie contracts. The big problem is the division of revenue. The owners feel like they've been screwed in the current CBA so they want the players share rolled back to something like 35-40% to make up for the lost profits. Players are telling the owners to fuck off over their dead bodies. In the end I think the players are going to play hard ball and win. I think a shortened 2011 season and something like 48%/52% player/owner agreement will be reached

 

Sorry I have to take exception to ur post

Before Jerry Jones was muzzled by Goody he was quoted as saying that what this is all about is changing the equation using his words " of having the big market teams continue to support the small market teams".

That statement translates into no more equal revenue sharing among the 32 NFL teams whenever the contract expires since at least in the Jones words he no longer wants to support teams like Buffalo & Minny which he specifically named in that statement.

 

This is exactly why DeMaurice Smith and the NFLPA spent their own money to file a lawsuit on behalf of the small market teams this year. The leadership of ownership voted to opt out of revenue sharing during this current CBA and they challenged in it court and won the lawsuit. NFLPA is trying to gain allies among the owners - and cause some instability among their ranks.

 

I'm sure Jerry Jones does not want to go splitso with the Bills or Jags with ALL that money he is raking in in his new stadium. I am sure he is the driving force behind the effort to leave the small market teams so to speak out in the cold so he can wallow in all those buckeroos his new stadium is generating for him

 

Yeah... which is why D. Smith filed the lawsuit. The main sticking point for the negotiations on a new CBA seems to be the amount of bottom line money the players are making, versus the teams - not the revenue sharing. So the NFLPA is allying with the small market teams, with a smaller sticking point. It's all politics.

 

I don't know if this has been answered elsewhere, but let's say there IS a 2011 lockout, how does that affect the actual draft? Will there still be one?

If there is (a draft), and say the entire 2011 season is cancelled, how would the 2012 draft work?

If there isn't a 2011 draft, then how would the 2012 draft work with (presumably) twice the amount of draft eligible prospects?

 

An NFL draft in a lockout year (assuming D. Smith decertifies the NFLPA to attack the NFL with antitrust lawsuits) would be considered unlawful according to the following Huffington Post article. But also according this, a lockout will most likely not happen.

 

The NFL cannot draft players in the absence of a CBA. The players drafted would just challenge the NFL with an unlawful restriction of commerce lawsuit (i.e their ability to ply their trade in whatever state they see fit) and likely win, since the NFL is an interstate entity and oversees the draft.