Why are you doing a mock draft for last year? That draft is over. None of those guys are in the 09 draft... :lol:
Garner is on the Dolphins, Mcclover played 3 years for us as an above average ST player. Same with Washington. Reed was a great backup DT for us for a while. Ryan Young was a starter at RT for a while, also played a while with the Texans. Yovanovits was a depth ol here for a handful of years. Harry Williams Jr. was on our PS, signed by Atlanta I believe, and he was looking like a player, and blew out his knee never the same afterwards... so yes our 7th round selections while they havent become pro-bowlers, they have been reasonably productive in the NFL....
okay, but 10 years with pinning offenses down in their own zone from a 7th rounder is better than anything mentioned.
Who nows if we draft a punter in round 7 that they will be with us for the next 10 years, that makes no sense its a crapshoot. Normally i would give a fuck what we we did with a 7th rounder but we hardly have any picks
i'm not arguing with you, i was just providing evidence contrary to the fact the 7th round picks are totally worthless, they can easily be solid depth for a few years.... its not like we draft them, cut them and then they go bag groceries for their whole lives....
Good point. It's possible that 7 Rd draft picks can pan out...Jason Ferguson. Most 7 rd picks wish they weren't drafted so they can chose their team. The player and agent can evaluate team needs and go where they have the best opportunity to make the roster. Multiple teams are on the phone, even during the last round saying..."sign with us"....and the player has their choice.
IMO Pace and Thomas are better overrall players than Suggs. So I don't underrate our players. Unlike Suggs, they are extremely versatile and do everything well. They are pretty much the same player with Pace being a slightly better pass rusher and BT slightly better against the run. As much as I love CP and BT, you don't ever have to chip them and in certain situations you can take the risk of leaving them on a TE or RB. Double sack totals or not, Suggs does something consistently better than anyone of the OLBs on our current roster. That's rushing the passer. You put Suggs one on one on a tackle and more often than not he will win that battle. You put him against a RB or TE and that's almost guaranteed pressure. When you compound that natural ability with stunts and elaborate blitz packages, then you have a recipe for disaster from an opposing offense's perspective. The dream scenario would be that VG or JW develop into that guy. But it's not out of the realm of possibility that VG and even BT are not here next year. It's not my first choice to use a high pick on an OLB. But I'll repeat if Rex thinks there is such a Suggs type guy at 29, I will concede to his expertise. With regards to the scheme. Rex brings as many people as needed. If our front 4 plus the occasional 1 or 2 could get QB pressure on a consistent basis, trust me we would not lead the league in % of snaps blitz by such a ridiculous margin.
You're right, you OVERRATE them. Bryan Thomas is a better overall player than Terrell Suggs? ...you really believe that?
Where did people get it in their head that Bryan Thomas is good? He's probably the worst starter on our defense.
Somebody in another thread called Bryan Thomas "My favorite player in the NFL." I immediately threw up all over myself when I saw that. In all fairness, if you became a Jets fan two months ago, I could see how you'd think Bryan Thomas is a good player.
It's funny how you cherry pick that sentence when I wrote a whole post explaining what I meant. Depending on the situation BT can used anywhere in the front 7, he plays the run, rushes the passer, drops in zone coverage, cover RBs out the backfield and cover TEs down the field at more than servicable level. Suggs is of the best at rushing the passer but for the most part that's all he does. Hence the phrase "BT being better overall". That said it was pretty clear by my post that I would prefer to have Suggs and the solitary skill set he brings to the table than BT or Pace. The OLB that's a great pass rusher will always be valued more than the OLB that can do it all. That does not make the former a better player than the latter.
I read you're entire post, and it didn't make any sense. At first you're trying to tell us that Calvin Pace is a better pass rusher than Terrell Suggs, and then later you say that Suggs is a better pass rusher than any of our OLBs? The fact is Bryan Thomas isn't the better overall player. Terrell Suggs can line up anywhere in the front seven, and have success...more success than Bryan Thomas. ...maybe I'm misreading your post? You have to look at it through a reader's prospective too.
The only thing that's "fact"ual is that BT has lined up at various spots within the front 7 while Suggs mainly at end. Suggs being able to "line up anywhere in the front seven, and have success...more success than Bryan Thomas" is an opinion. From reading some of your posts, I would not be surprised if that fact may have escaped you.
It's not an opinion. Terrell Suggs is the better player, especially in Rex Ryan's scheme. He didn't rack up many sacks while playing under Ryan, but he became much better against the run, and a much better player standing up. Under Ryan, Suggs became a much more complete defender. Terrell Suggs doesn't just play end for the Ravens. He's primary position is OLB. When the Ravens line up in the 4-3 and 46, Terrell Suggs puts his hand on the ground. The guy's a lot more versatile than you're giving him credit for. He's also very underrated in pass coverage. Bryan Thomas is mediocre-at-best, however Rex Ryan is going to get the most out of him. He's the weakest link in our front seven, and I believe it wouldn't be hard to replace him with a more productive, less expensive player.
I'm not trying to bash you, legler. I feel like you think I am. I'm just not going to sit here and let someone tell me that Bryan Thomas is a good player, not after watching that bum for play for 8 years. Terrell Suggs is just an elite, versatile defender and Bryan Thomas is a fucking cactus. Thomas will never, ever live up to what he was supposed to be. The Jets shouldn't have re-signed him - he makes way too much money for his level of productivity. We could easily replace Thomas and Gholston with much cheaper, more productive players.
