And if Graham is at 29 you take him. The Steelers do things like that and it works. Wilson and Graham are around, you win either way. DL is deep enough to take in the 2nd round.
The DL prospects are deeper, and the Jets DL is deeper and more talented than what the Jets have in the OLB corps. Taking DL later is an ok thing to do. The ILBs are fine... for now. The OLB depth needs to be addressed. Its awful. Gholston ain't shit. We all know this.
Yea I think the main problem with the OP is that it considered Gholston depth. We all know he's worthless, so why should we consider him depth?
I thought Thomas played well down the stretch in Ryan's system. We also have some depth at LB. Our DL is a problem. It broke down the end of 08 and we simply don't have enough talent on that line. Ellis is getting old and Jenkins is probably not going to be able to hold up as a full time starter. We get inside or in hot weather and we get run on. NO and Miami in Miami ran the ball down our throats and it's not the LB's. A great OLB would be nice but our LB's are the strength of our D. We need DL and we need another CB. I wouldn't mind replacing Rhodes with a tougher safety. I have seen tons of Jets teams that were built to pass the ball and rush the passer. These teams were always finesse teams that broke down late in the year. Ryan is building a team to beat the crap out of people late in the year. We need beef up front.
Gholston is depth. Sure he's a bum, but he's already shown he can at least be a decent backup. He looked positively "ok" when he filled in for Pace and he didn't fuck up, which that means he adds depth. Depth isn't the issue here though. We need a starting DE way more than we need a starting OLB. Ellis is the only man on the roster who should be starting at DE and he'll be 33 this year.
Disagree: 1. Our starting DL talent is older. 2. Our best starting DL is injury prone. 3. LBers are not as valuable as DL. 4. Our LB corps has young players behind the starters, one being a high first round pick drafted to be a future starter. For people that say Gholston can't and won't be a future starter...well then your view on pass rusher makes sense...but I believe that if Bryan Thomas can become a solid 3-4 LB than Gholston can probably do something...I'm excited to see what happens in year 3. 5. Our DL has young backups behind it, but none are high picks and all are probably long term backups. I like DeVito some as a long term starter, but I'm not sure where...I guess it'd be NT in that Kelly Gregg kind of way...we'd need a good DE corps for that. 6. Between all our LBers...since we're grouping DL and all our linebackers are potential pass rushers/blitzers...there's more money in that unit that any other unit...something like 180 million (if you total the contracts anyway). DE/OLB/pass rusher in the 5th? Hell yea. The 3rd? Sure, if we can get a 3rd. Same for the 4th. It's nice and cheap, and we can bring that guy along slowly like Rex and Pettine have done with many other players. We're trying to build depth on this team, and if there's one position we actually have future depth at it's LB. GBA pretty much sums it up here: Look at what the Steelers and Pats did....ever since they got Hampton and Smith together they could just plug in LBers and go...the Pats built their D around Seymour, Wilfork, and Warren and all their LBs played up...DL...just like we built the OL first for the offense Rex will be building his future DL. I still think the best offseason we could have is to sign Anthony Montgomery away from the Redskins and land Cody, Oghobaase, Arthur Jones, Houston, or Mike Neal with our first two picks. I want to see what our LBs can do when our DL frees them up consistently.
Gholston will almost certainly be released if it's an uncapped year. You don't pay that kind of money for they type of "depth" he provides if you don't have to.
You think so? I disagree with that...I wonder if they'll ask him to restructure his contract, if they can. No way they just let go a 24 year old they just drafted a couple of years ago leave to another team with 2 free years of NFL coaching and a small contract. Not unless they're anywhere near as low on Gholston as the fanbase is...
How can they not be? He's done absolutely nothing as a New York Jet. I honestly wouldn't care if the Jets released him and he went somewhere else and had Bryan Thomas-like production. He's never, ever going to be a great pass rusher, just like Thomas.
Nothing obvious at least...It's not like we have a 24/7 cam on him. If they cut him then sure he must suck and so on, sure. We're still not going to escape the pretty large cap hit, so if they actually did cut him it'd send a pretty loud message. I still think it's highly unlikely. They really have no reason to unless they think he just won't develop.
If he was then that'd be something obvious. Also, he's on the field for special teams. What was so bad about him when he started in place of Pace? What was he doing so mind numbingly bad at? I'm going to guess the cliches..."looked out of place at times"...and such.
Why not? He barely sees the field. Why pay so much for a guy whose production you can get for a small fraction of the cost?
I think Gholsten gets another chance. While he has had a whole offseason under Rex, Rex never saw him play until this season. Now that he has an idea of what he's getting, maybe he can mold him into a serviceable player.
Because they plan to start him one day? It's not like it was some major secret or shock that Gholston was really raw as a rookie... Why is he blamed for his contract? We'd still be taking a massive cap hit for someone else to have a guy we've been coaching for 2 years.
...because he was the 6th overall pick and he can't even make plays on special teams. The guy sucks and that is OBVIOUS. At 6, we might have drafted Leodis McKelvin, who actually starts games because he's talented, not because the guy ahead of him got suspended.
Plan him to start one day? He sucks, how anyone can deny that at this point seems crazy to me. I sure hope he isn't starting one day. Blamed for his contract? He's getting paid too much money for the little production he gives, that's why he's "blamed for his contract". You don't take a cap hit in an uncapped year. That's why I qualified my original statement with "if it's an uncapped year".
Well, I disagree. It's not like he's the first guy making the DE/OLB transition to take a while. Why it's such a big deal, especially when he did nothing to embarrass himself when he started earlier in the year is beyond me. I really don't get it. You don't draft a guy 6th overall to give him 4 early season starts before cutting him...That makes no sense unless he's murdering people in his free time. OK, but he can't really help that the NFL pays the #6 pick in the draft alot of money, especially at a prime position like DE/OLB. The hit would stand the next year. That's why I said we'd still feel it. There's 0 point in actually cutting Gholston...He'd just sign somewhere else and probably play well there and we'd just keep throwing money around hoping someone will have that storybook career everyone should have.
He is supposed to be a guy that sacks the QB. He hasn't sniffed an NFL QB in a game that means anything in 2 years. That is embarrassing. The reason you cut him is that he SUCKS, is OVERPAID, and there's no cap - so there are no cap hits. You can get the same, if not better production for far less money. That's why you cut him. This is simple logic. No he can't, but the Jets can by cutting his ass and not paying him anymore. Where do you get the idea that a cap hit would be incurred after an uncapped year. That would be big news to me.
