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  1. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Hopefully we can draft "Old Hickory" in the lockout.
     
  2. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Keiland Williams will be a better pro than college player.

    Young is a very good 5th round pick, if I may say so myself. Store him away for a year or two.
     
  3. Mr Electric

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    Willie Young could be a very good 5th round pick, but like you said, he'll probably go a lot higher. Also, I just see him being more of a 4-3 end than a 3-4 LB. He's a lot better against the run than he is at rushing the passer.

    Keiland Williams has done absolutely nothing to prove that though. He was a highly rated recruit that hasn't done shit at the college level.
     
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    He's done alot when he got the ball. He just didn't get the ball much.
     
  5. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    ...and you don't think that is an indication about his game? That typically happens for a reason.
     
  6. Mr Electric

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    Keiland Williams doesn't get the ball much because he's not the best back on the roster. He seems productive (sometimes) when he gets touches, but he's running against tired defenses that Charles Scott wears down.

    Against good SEC defenses, he was completely ineffective. The only SEC defenses that he gained more than 20 yards against were Mississippi State and Vanderbilt.

    I'd actually like to hear Rhodesfan's thoughts on Williams - he's a big LSU fan.
     
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  7. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Yea, Charles Scott beat him out. Doesn't really mean he can't run. Just means he didn't play. It's possible he's a better pro than college player. Also he'd help out on kick returns while we develop the 6th round pick.

    [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKXUl91xfeU[/YOUTUBE]
     
  8. Mr Electric

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    Charles Scott is better. I shouldn't have to debate about that.

    I never said he couldn't run, I just said he isn't good.

    You want me to watch that video? I was there...I saw him be mediocre-at-best in person.

    LSU is great at producing physical backs like Joseph Addai and Charles Scott, not soft runners like Keiland Williams.
     
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    Who's debating that?

    Joseph Addai isn't what I'd call a physical back, especially as a prospect. Believe me, if Jahvid Best was around in the 6th round I'd pick him.

    Agree to disagree on Williams. Once again, I think you ignore the development aspect of being a prospect. He's RB depth...a Ward/Bradshaw.
     
  10. Mr Electric

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    Joseph Addai was beast in college - one of the hardest running RBs under 215 that I've watched. He's the type of player that gets the SEC so much respect.

    ...because Jahvid Best is a way better running back than Keiland Williams, but that's a whole new argument and I'm not going to get into that shit.
     
  11. JetsLookingforDWare

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    My point














    Your head

    There's no argument there.

    Williams even showed he could catch passes as a sophomore and junior.
     
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  12. Mr Electric

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    Yeah:

    9 catches in 2007 and 11 catches in 2008 - what a receiving threat...
     
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    9 catches for 113 yards (12.6 YPA)....11 catches for 124 (11.3 YPA).

    Not bad for the amount of attempts.

    If he was a big time receiving and running threat he wouldn't be a 6th round pick.
     
  14. Mr Electric

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    He's not worth any pick...especially for the Jets, who already have a back that can do the same things, a lot better, than Williams does them.

    Saying that he'll be a better pro than college player makes no sense. This is a guy that got limited touches, because he wasn't good enough to get on the field. You think things are going to change when he gets to the NFL? No, they're not.
     
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    And I'm sorry...how does that make no sense? How is a top recruit "not good enough" to do anything? He clearly produced when he got the ball, which is slightly more significant for a 6th round pick RB than harping on the fact that he wasn't featured. I know he wasn't featured. If he was, he wouldn't be a 6th round pick.

    If he can give 400 yards at 5 YPC with a few catches in the NFL...so things don't change much...then it doesn't matter.

    3 things you're ignoring...again:

    - Players develop after college. Crazy fact, I know.

    - Being RB depth isn't a super challenge for rookies.

    - RB is the easiest position to translate from college to NFL.

    All I see with him not being featured in college is that we get a talented back in the 6th with fresher legs than most guys.
     
  16. James Hasty

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    Good job!

    After the combine some of these guys will move up or down the board but with the info we have right now these are good values for players that have a very good chance of being there.
     
  17. rhodesfan16

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    Ok that is such Bullshit, Williams sucked, he was never good when LSU hat a good offensive line and he was even worse when there was no good line. Trust me if Kieliand Williams get drafted he should be happy. You ask any LSU fan who was the best running back and you will hear Charles scott, hell some may even say Steven Ridley was better than wiliams
     
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    Was the guy failing in class? Was he getting into any trouble off the field? Was he doing anything besides being outplayed by Scott?

    Then I'm sure we'd somehow survive with him as a 6th round pick.

    Upside > Decent but productive in the late rounds on draft day. That's just common sense...
     
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  19. rhodesfan16

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    No, this isnt like Clemson a couple of years ago where you have two really good running backs in Spiller and Davis, this is like you had one good RB and one who never lived up to his potential. Believe me when Hester left I was excited to see what Williams could do, but instead he just failed to win the job
     
  20. JetsLookingforDWare

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    No, I get that. I know Williams' story and I've followed him pretty closely at LSU too...his lack of production is bothersome I guess, if you were hoping for top 3 rounds. That said, his upside as a 6th round pick developmental/depth RB is far more intriguing than most of the guys who'll be available.
     

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