He and Williams have nothing in common besides being highly touted WR prospects. Dez is quicker, faster, meaner...just plain better. Williams does have the size advantage, but that was overrated then and certainly with the powers of hindsight. 85...I feel like you overrate Charles Brown, though he's certainly got the upside and athleticism to go in the first. Brandon Lafell is not a top 50 player in this draft...more because this draft is very deep because he'll be a solid player...And you underrate Bryant...he's a top 5 player in this draft and the best WR prospect since CJ in '07. I'll be making my top 50 in the next week or two. I'd rather wait until combine, but a pre-combine one can't hurt.
Not gonna lie, its kinda a pain in the ass to go back in forth between the last page and first page so I can see your revisions and then comment But from what I can remember I think Donovan Warren should be somewhere on that list Also I would rank Williams higher
...and they both sat out a year and decided to enter the draft. That's the comparison I was going for. Williams sat out longer, but time off can be a bit a concern. He'll still go very high.
Well Williams did it voluntarily, didn't he? Bryant's just worlds better as a prospect IMO...way more quick twitch as an athlete...
Yeah, when Maurice Clarett decided to change the rules, Mike Williams decided he didn't want to go to school anymore either...and that was incredibly stupid. Mike Williams was a hell of a WR prospect in 2004 - the year he left early and became ineligible. 176 receptions for 2,570 yards and 30 TDs in two seasons is ridiculous out of a pro-style system. His problems in the NFL were because of laziness and his work ethic. Williams weighed 270 pounds during his lazy season as a pro...
I was just never high on Williams. He basically out-sized any DB in college, and like many of his USC teammates from that era he was overrated due to their success and numbers. Bryant OTOH is an NFL player...and a top 5 player in this draft.
Warren was on the list #17. Copyed and Pasted: UPDATED 1/26/10 1) Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska 2) Eric Berry, S, Tennesee 3) Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma 4) Joe Haden, CB, Florida 5) Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama 6) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame 7) CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson 8) Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech 9) Everson Griffen, DE, USC 10) Charles Brown, OT, USC 11) Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa 12) Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma 13) Russell Okung, OT, Ok St 14) Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland 15) Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma St 16) Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee 17) Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan 18) Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho 19) Damian Williams, WR, USC 20) Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama 21) Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Mizzou 22) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida 23) Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame 24) Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida 25) Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers 26) Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan 27) Earl Thomas, S, Texas 28) Sean Weathersponn, OLB, Mizzou 29) Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise St 30) Greg Hardy, DE/OLB, Ole Miss 31) Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois 32) Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma St. 33) Taylor Mays, S, USC 34) Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 35) Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno St. 36) Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma 37) Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, South Carolina 38) Brian Price, DT, UCLA 39) Vladimir Ducasse, OL, Mass 40) Jonathan Dwyer,RB, Georgia Tech 41) Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas 42) Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech 43) Jermaine Cunningham, DE/OLB, Florida 44) Marty Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati 45) Brandon Lafell, WR, LSU 46) Jahvid Best, RB, California 47) Navarro Bowman, LB, Penn St 48) Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech 49) Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, TCU 50) Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake
Seems a lot of people have been putting Dan Williams ahead of Cody lately. Williams apparently checked into the Senior Bowl looking really good and Cody not so much. No concerns that he's this year's Andre Smith WW?
Weight is an issue with Cody. It's still early, let's see how Cody reacts to being overweight at the Senior Bowl. No question, Williams is on the rise and the gap is narrowing. I probably have Dan Williams ranked a little low, he will continue to rise. The Combine will make the picture clearer.
Grim, It's my personal preference, I don't have them rated far apart. I just see Burnett as a better all-round safety and respect his competition more than Allen's. Allen may have a better upside.
That's fine, just wondering if it was coverage ability/playmaking. I think they're close, but I'd go Allen. Both would be really nice replacements for Rhodes.
I'd take either player to replace Rhodes. Allen may have slightly better coverage skills, but both should make a fine transition to FS in the NFL. The Competition is what had me leaning more to Burnett.
Chad Jones should have stayed another year. Safeties are very deep this year and I don't see him getting into rd 2.
I love McDaniel....he made a mistake staying. I've heard Chad Jones is a helluva Baseball player too.
It'll be interesting to see Myron Rolle's progression this offseason. With a strong showing, I think he could climb into the 2nd round.
I agree about Jones, I like he is a tremendous athlete (pretty good in the CWS) He didn't dominate as much as he could have, but I will say he is pretty heads up. Look at his play at the :34 second mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjpt-eJTmsU he came around from the other side of the line to break that up when everyone else was focusing on stopping the the running back.
UPDATED 2/16/10 I updated my Top 50!! Big additions......secondary players are flying up the board. After the combine this Top 50 will be more fluid. New additions: Devin McCourty Daryl Washington Cam Thomas Jared Odrick Nate Allen Deleted: Javid Best Brandon Lafell Brandon Ghee Jermaine Cunningham Jonathan Dwyer Big Risers: Sean Weatherspoon Earl Thomas JPP Brian Price Brandon Graham Dropping: Terrence Cody Bruce Campbell Brandon Spikes 1) Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska 2) Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma 3) Eric Berry, S, Tennessee 4) Joe Haden, CB, Florida 5) Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame 6) Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama 7) Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech 8) Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma 9) CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson 10) Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St 11) Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma St 12) Brian Bulaga, OT, Iowa 13) Everson Griffen, DL, USC 14) Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Mizzou 15) Charles Brown, OT, USC 16) Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee 17) Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan 18) Earl Thomas, S, Texas 19) Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida 20) Damian Williams, WR, USC 21) Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho 22) Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan 23) Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame 24) Brian Price, DT, UCLA 25) Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers 26) Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland 27) Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise St 28) Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma St 29) Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois 30) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida 31) Brandon Spikes, MLB, Florida 32) Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma 33) Taylor Mays, S, USC 34) Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, South Carolina 35) Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno St. 36) Terrence Cody, NT, Alalbama 37) Greg Hardy, DE/OLB, Ole Miss 38) Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers 39) Vladimir Ducasse, OL, Mass 40) Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn St 41) Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas 42) Daryl Washington, LB, TCU 43) Cam Thomas, NT, North Carolina 44) Marty Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati 45) Navarro Bowman, LB, Penn St 46) Nate Allen, S, USF 47) Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech 48) Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech 49) Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, TCU 50) Chad Jones, S, LSU
