Andre Johnson > Vincent Jackson

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  1. Jets42long

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    It's a moo point.....You know like a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter.

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  2. Marblex

    Marblex New Member

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    Sigh, whatever man. I've already posted what he has done with his playing time and its impressive. Anyway, no point in arguing over it, we will see Sunday.
     
  3. TurkJetFan

    TurkJetFan Well-Known Member

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    for some reason a person whose initials are VJ doesn't frighten me
     
  4. JetsLookingforDWare

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    I don't think Andre Johnson has anything to do with this matchup.

    That said, Andre Johnson is the best WR in the NFL. He should have been a Jet. The Texans are twats.
     
  5. FuchsiaSocks19

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    As was said, Revis can (and probably will) shut down Jackson, but Floyd, Gates, LT, and Sproles are all offensive threats. What you can't do is be surprised when San Diego puts up points. They're GOING to score a TD or 2. It's just how we react to that. Can we come down the field and punch one in? Can we get a big stop on D and turn it into points? Turnovers are going to be a massive factor.
     
  6. 624

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    Revis is obviously the only CB on the Jets entire roster, all of the other receivers will be uncovered and wide open every play due to them all being 6'5+.

    Vincent Jackson is 2 inches taller then Andre Johnson which makes him 2x better.
     
  7. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    Now, THAT is flawless logic.
     
  8. Bolts2SB

    Bolts2SB New Member

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    You may not hear a lot about Floyd in the media (first link below is the only one I've seen in a long time focusing on just him) but he does come up with big clutch plays:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIJApeHXyn4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqnui7iLDMw&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys0SuwDODMU&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7npY36P-Uqc&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KRmM3HM7jM&feature=related
     
  9. uknowmysteelo

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    More Floyd. www .nfl. com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d815b599a/Divisional-Playoff-X-Factor-Malcom-Floyd
     
  10. uknowmysteelo

    uknowmysteelo New Member

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    Football outsiders wide receiver rankings.
    www . footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

    Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD Catch
    Rate FUM
    S.Rice MIN 476 1 487 1 35.4% 3 36.5% 121 1312 1,508 8 69% 1
    V.Jackson SD 452 2 455 2 39.6% 1 39.9% 108 1167 1,371 9 63% 0
    W.Welker NE 423 3 363 5 20.3% 12 15.5% 162 1348 1,672 4 76% 1
    M.Austin DAL 397 4 418 3 28.4% 5 30.5% 124 1320 1,372 11 65% 1
    R.Moss NE 395 5 347 6 21.9% 9 17.7% 137 1264 1,513 13 61% 2
    R.Wayne IND 372 6 381 4 18.2% 13 18.9% 149 1264 1,533 10 67% 0
    M.Colston NO 331 7 335 7 25.3% 6 25.8% 107 1074 1,197 9 65% 2
    S.Smith NYG 321 8 306 9 13.3% 18 12.1% 157 1220 1,479 7 68% 0
    H.Ward PIT 281 9 266 13 14.0% 17 12.6% 137 1169 1,272 6 69% 2
    S.Holmes PIT 278 10 287 11 12.7% 21 13.5% 138 1248 1,302 5 57% 0
    L.Fitzgerald ARI 271 11 324 8 8.8% 29 12.9% 153 1092 1,429 13 63% 0
    R.Meachem NO 268 12 249 15 39.2% 2 35.7% 64 722 814 9 70% 2
    A.Johnson HOU 257 13 290 10 6.2% 35 8.6% 171 1569 1,489 9 59% 1
    D.Driver GB 242 14 267 12 13.0% 19 15.6% 112 1061 1,126 6 63% 1
    M.Wallace PIT 232 15 224 16 29.7% 4 28.2% 72 756 789 6 54% 1
    Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA Passes Yards EYds TD Catch
    Rate FUM
    G.Jennings GB 223 16 255 14 10.5% 26 13.8% 119 1113 1,112 4 57% 0
    M.Floyd SD 219 17 217 18 23.3% 7 22.9% 76 776 819 1 59% 0
    C.Ochocinco CIN 213 18 220 17 8.0% 30 8.7% 128 1047 1,151 9 56% 2
    A.Collie IND 209 19 200 20 15.8% 15 14.6% 90 676 906 7 67% 0
    D.Jackson PHI 208 20 194 23 9.9% 28 8.3% 117 1167 1,056 9 54% 2
    K.Walter HOU 196 21 211 19 22.5% 8 25.4% 70 611 741 2 76% 0
    D.Mason BAL 179 22 174 26 4.2% 37 3.7% 134 1028 1,131 7 54% 0
    B.Marshall DEN 178 23 174 25 2.4% 38 2.1% 154 1120 1,226 10 66% 0
    H.Nicks NYG 177 24 155 30 17.6% 14 13.8% 74 790 736 6 64% 2
    P.Harvin MIN 174 25 186 24 12.1% 22 13.7% 91 790 831 6 66% 1
    J.Cotchery NYJ 170 26 197 21 10.2% 27 13.8% 96 821 859 3 59% 0
     
  11. GoChargers

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    how can that be right, the only reason VJ is regarded as a good receiver is because he's 2 inches taller than AJ.
     
  12. Lightning_bug

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    I will concede that Andre Johnson is a better receiver than Vincent Jackson, but the reason I keep brining up Jackson’s weight and power is because of the way Revis stops people.

    Revis jams receivers harder than any corner I’ve watched. He was practically undressing Ochocinco every snap. Receivers have to fight all the way to the 5 yard mark, which makes them late on their route. Combine that with the Jets crazy blitzes which don’t allow the QB enough time to let the route develop, and you have a shut down receiver. It truly is a thing of beauty to watch.

    The key is to push Revis to the 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage as fast as possible. If Revis can not get unengaged from his receiver by the time he his driven back to the 5 yard mark, it is an illegal contact penalty. Jackson, being bigger and stronger than Andre Johnson can drive Revis 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage quicker than Johnson.

    With Houston, the Jets were free to release the hounds. They do not have the dizzying array of targets that require a full defensive backfield. Safeties and corner can become blitzers, Matt Schaub has no time, and Andre Johnson is shut down.

    The Charger hope the Jets release the hounds. Please do leave Gates in single coverage, or Floyd, or the check-down back. The line is good at pass blocking, and Rivers has shown a knack for finding the uncovered guy or area abandoned by a blitzer. If the Jets tire of Gates eating their lunch in the coverage gaps, or if Sproles represents such a screen danger that defenders stay at home near the line, then Rivers will have a little bit more time.

    That brings us back to Vincent Jackson’s extra power and weight. It is not that Jackson is a better receiver than Andre Johnson, it is that he has the double advantage of being able to get through the chuck zone faster, and has a cool-headed Rivers with a little more time to let Jackson do his thing.
     
  13. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I have admittedly not seen a heck of a lot from VJ, but I find it VERY hard to believe he's more physical than Andre Johnson.
     
  14. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Revis holds receivers at the line thats true but he doesnt all the time. People get by him quickly and thats when his best skill imo is the way he can go from back peddeling and turn his hips and start running with the receiver. He glues himself to the receiver so whether or not jackson can out muscle him doesnt mean he can lose him.
     
  15. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Very true, and my biggest worry. Our secondary has be to tight like virgin in coverage on Sunday

    A couple of INTs would really help...
     
  16. GoChargers

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    revis also gets the flag alot for his tactics, ala last game against cinci.
     
  17. WhiteShoeWillis

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    did you see the BS they called on him??
     
  18. GoChargers

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    actually yeah lol, if I were a jets fan I really think I would have thrown something through my 60 inch tv.
     
  19. Hobbes3259

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    Ummm...No. That's totally inaccurate.

    Revis' footwork enables him to gain superior POSITION on every route the guy he covers runs.

    He's not a Jam corner..He Can, but thats not his game.

    He uses quickness and fluidity to sit on top of the receiver according to the route, and when he can, he gets underneath for the steal.
     
  20. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah..the wideout pushes off, arms extended, and thats illegal contact, defense....sheesh.

    though..physicality plays against the Chargers wideouts in this matchup
     

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