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Discussion in 'Draft' started by JetsLookingforDWare, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    No. You're just seen as being not very sharp.
     
  2. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Forgive me if I don't believe you...I must have burned a nice little hole in your internet heart for your memory of me to be so clear after a year.

    Ah abyz...I missed you too. I have much to learn from such a charming, clearly intellectually superior internet buddy...MORE CHEERS!:beer:
     
  3. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    The reason its interesting is your are the ONLY one seeing it that way.

    Rhodes is talented and has a huge size advantage. For all that talent and Size Leonhard has ment a lot more to this defenses. He's a very good tackler, oftern taking out guys who out weigh him by a good margin. Rhodes has made Deion Sanders look like a prototype takcler in run suppot this year. He Wiffs, throws shouldrs without wraping up, and gets run over by just about anyone comming his way. The guy is a joke and a pussy, not a football player.

    Give me players with heart and the desire to be more than a fashion modle. Guys like Rhodes can be shown the door.
     
  4. JetsLookingforDWare

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    That sucks....it's fairly obvious...can't man Leonhard on anyone, I can tell you that much.

    I'd find this more significant if I didn't know just how reactionary and quick to turn this fanbase can get once you annoy them.

    Rex didn't even know how to use Rhodes...he just assumed Rhodes could be Ed Reed despite the unique-ness of Ed Reed.
     
  5. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Wasn't so much a hole in my heart as it was a vacancy underneath my nads. Good to have you back, DWare. :)
     
  6. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Wow, been drinking much while watching the games? Rhodes has been decent in coverage this year, nothing great. Leonhard has been in man coverage and done as well, decent but nothing great.

    Rhodes has made few plays outside of a couple of deep throws that could have been a fair catch on a punt.

    Leonhard is much better in runsupport.

    Its not even close who makes a bigger impact on our defense from week to week.
     
  7. Scikotic

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    way to get off on the right foot, Dware. :rolleyes:
     
  8. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Decent is way better than what Leonhard has done. Leonhard is an upgrade over Elam, but I'm absolutely stunned to see at how overrated he is on this board.

    I thought when we signed Leonhard we were getting an excellent cover safety who could free up Rhodes. What we got was a better version of what we had with Elam, and that's nice but nothing to write home about. Personally, I think Eric Smith could do what he does, but he lacks the Rex connection.
    And Leonhard hasn't.

    Not really significantly so...Leonhard couldn't take Ricky Williams down at the goal line by himself after tripping like Rhodes did in the first Dolphins game. I saw Leonhard get run over quite often this year.

    I know it's not...which is why I'm wondering why you guys are acting like Leonhard is God's gift to the Jets. The guy's on his 3rd team in 5 years for a reason...solid, solid player but it's hilarious to think he's anything more than our 4th best DB after Revis, Rhodes, and Sheppard.
     
  9. MBGreen

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    ^ you can't be this dense......unless you haven't watched a single game this season.
     
  10. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    So... you like Rhodes and think Gholston should have a good game this week. I ahve to wonder if you have even watched a football gme in the last year. Not seening Leonhard make playes in run support? Silly ignorant. Thinkinng Rhodes is a good player at the line, about the same. its sad really. Good job at grabing as much attention as possible on your way back in.
     
  11. JetsLookingforDWare

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    1 - Thank you. I worked hard for that attention.

    2 - Your spelling seriously sucks unless you're drunk at 12:30.

    3 - I do like Rhodes.

    4 - I hope Gholston has a good game. I don't assume he will. I know these distinctions and fine lines don't mean much to you guys, but then I wouldn't be me.

    5 - Did I say Leonhard hasn't made plays in the running game? So has Rhodes, but no one here is d'riding him since I'm his only fan apparently. I've also seen Leonhard get run over more than his fair share, but again...to be ignored.

    6 - Rhodes is good at the line. His 8 QB pressures were 2nd in the league amongst safeties...his 4 QB hits were 2nd amongst safeties...

    http://profootballfocus.com/by_posi...e=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

    You can't even see the secondary for most of a football game...Funny how the assumption is made that because many people hold the same opinion means that opinion is correct.

    It's even more comedic because for all his prowess on the FB field Leonhard registered a whole 13 more tackles than Rhodes this year.
     
  12. JCotchrocket

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    And how often do we see Jim Leonhard in man coverage?

    Not often at all.

    Leonhard has been used frequently as I imagine you're advocating Kerry Rhodes should be used: at the line of scrimmage, blitzing frequently.

    Here's the difference: Rhodes gets blocked easily and he's out of the play on most blitzes. A subtle chip or a bad angle and Kerry is completely removed from the play. Leonhard will either a) fight through his man and get pressure on the quarterback or b) hit his blocker at full force, effectively removing a back or tight end from the play and wearing them down, increasing the chances of an effective blitz later on.

    Kerry won't do that. Even years ago, when Rhodes was a stripsack artist, his production came when he was unblocked.

    And quite frankly, I'm sick of hearing the "Kerry isn't being used effectively" argument. Apparently, Kerry has been utilized quite effectively at two different points in his career: prior to his new contract and after his benching.

    What a coincidence, the gameplan changes were simultaneous with events that impacted Sherry's purse!
     
  13. MBGreen

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    Rhodes was totally out of position during the Buffalo game...and Leonhard was yelling at him to get him into position...of course, Rhodes didn't listen.

    Leonhard>>>Rhodes....at the moment.

    Rhodes has talent...but his head is too far up his ass to be able to harness it.
     
  14. JetsLookingforDWare

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    That's not a good thing?

    And I thought he was the exact opposite of that. Leonhard came over here and everyone was all "yay, now this frees up Rhodes."

    Turns out he's basically a white version of a more disciplined Abram Elam.

    Seriously dude...I know you're working off of Rhodes' worst season and Leonhard's average but somehow extraordinary season but Rhodes has led this team in TFL over the past 4 years...he's racked up 9 sacks as a safety...

    Oh...unblocked...100% of the time...I have no doubts about this. I wish I could just state things as fact and everyone would believe me.

    So...there was a gap...in this season...where he wasn't being used effectively then? You admit this much?

    Is he up for a new contract this season? Nope. Would he make more money in this contract than his previous one simply because he came on the last few games of the season? Nope.
     
  15. All Gas No Shake

    All Gas No Shake Well-Known Member

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    cutting gholton will allow us to get his bad contract off of the books in futue years ... the money woody has invested in him is GONE, theres no gettin it back (unless vg pulls a vick). theres no reason to cripple the future cap just to try and make up for a past mistake ... the owners are using this uncapped year as a mulligan to rid themselves of some bad contracts, they could care less about paying them to play on another team ... shit, the seahawks just paid $12 mill to fire jim mora 3 years early!

    having said that (shout out to curb), i say we bring gholston back for the min and give him a shot to make the DE rotation
     
  16. Nesquik

    Nesquik Well-Known Member

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    As much as Rhodes struggled this year i dont want to see him go, he's too talented and should be used as he was a couple of years ago. We need just another safety who can cover and allow Rhodes to play freely much troy is in pittsburgh as DWare saids someone like Burnett or Chad Jones in the second would be great for us
     
  17. Mr Electric

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    BAHAHAHAHAHA...nothing that Kerry Rhodes does is even close to what Ed Reed can do.

    Stop comparing him to big time players like Troy Polamalu and Adrian Wilson. They like to hit, while Rhodes clearly doesn't.

    "You're spelling is horrible...unless you're drunk at 12:30." Who the hell are you trying to be, Jturds?

    Jim Leonhard has done nothing to hurt this defense. You do realize that he makes the defensive calls, right?

    Don't give any credit to the offensive line which is stacked with first round picks and Pro Bowlers. Don't give any credit to one of the best offensive line coaches in the NFL, Bill Callahan. Don't give any credit to Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene.

    Mark Sanchez has gotten better over the past month - that's it. We started to play a safe offense. Brian Schottenheimer started to use high percentage pass plays.

    Who the shit cares if he isn't what YOU thought he was? You think Vernon Gholston is a good player for some reason.

    Jim Leonhard has been pretty damn good against the run and he's been a very good blitzer.

    I agree Kurt Coleman can get up to around 200 to 205 and take the NFL punishment, but RIGHT NOW he's undersized.

    High end DB prospects like Ashton Yobouty, Mike Doss, and Will Allen? Donte Whitner and Malcolm Jenkins are the exception...maybe.

    Why don't you get it? ...when it comes to the draft, combine results mean a whole fucking lot.

    Measurables are meaningless? Then all of your knocks on Jim Leonhard should be the thrown out...you bashed him for being small, yet measurables don't mean anything? ...that makes a ton of sense.

    Hmmm...one runs in the in low 4.4s, possible 4.3s and the other runs close to a 4.6. One's frame is basically maxed out, while the other still has plenty of room to put on weight. One player's more than likely reached his ceiling, while the other has tons and tons and tons of potential.

    You know why no one talks about Lawrence Marsh? ...because he barely played in 2009. He was injured early in the season and Justin Trattou held on to the spot over the season. You'd know that if you watched ANY Florida football. Just like you would've noticed the major difference in the Gators defense when they were without Carlos Dunlap.

    Everyone likes to talk about Major Wright? Since when?
     
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  18. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Wtf? So? Reed is one of the rarest players in the league...No one does what he does.

    BUT...Rhodes can play soft, suck against the run, and disappear for chunks of a season at a time like Reed can, amirite?!?!?!

    Nah, can't. Rhodes at his best is that tier of safeties. Shockingly...Rex puts Rhodes closer to the LOS and Rhodes starts making plays again.

    This is too gay for me to write anything more about it. Tf is a jturds...

    1. Didn't say he he has. What I'm saying is he's the more replaceable safety.

    2. Congrats to him on that. Rhodes made the defensive calls before him, does he gets points for that?

    1. Who faults a coach for doing well with talent?

    2. I didn't give those guys credit because we were talking about the bad playcalls. They're not mentioned because they have nothing to do with the playcalls...though they do show that talent/execution >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "correct" playcalls.

    Really? You have...what to back this claim that we're not calling more "high percentage pass plays" than we did before? Perhaps Sanchez is just hitting them more often?

    We haven't done sh*t differently on offense. Sanchez is just playing better, making the playcalling more correct.

    No, I don't. Maybe you should go back...re-read my posts...comprehend them...and then come back?

    Leonhard came in with everyone talking about how he'd free up Rhodes and give us a significantly better player than Elam. He's pretty much Elam with an excellent knowledge of the D he's in.

    He's been alright as a blitzer...not as good as Rhodes...but he did get his 2.5 sacks this season to Rhodes' 0 so he MUST be...

    He's solid against the run, but his size hurts him whether you're dead set against admitting that or not.

    Nothing new for any prospect...and at 195 with 4 months before the draft I'm sure he can throw on 5 whole pounds.

    Donte Whitner...Malcolm Jenkins...Nate Clements...Will Allen wasn't/isn't a bad CB...Youboty is still in the league and is only 25...Doug Plank...Dick Lebeau...

    Yes, but not everything.

    Which one has a maxed our frame? They're both similar sized, and Thomas doesn't look like he has more room to add weight. Didn't you just say Coleman could?

    Also, Coleman's reached his ceiling? His ceiling was that of a starting college safety?

    And...well here is where you actually get a good call. He's still > Dunlap...especially as a 3-4 DE prospect.
     
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  19. MBGreen

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    ^ man...that must be stellar weed.
     
  20. rhodesfan16

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    How can play calling be more correct, Its either a good call, an ok call, or a bad call it can't be more correct. It just means Sanchez has stepped up his game, he takes bad play calling and makes them into good plays. Its not any more correct. Look that bomb he had to Edwards was not a great play call hardly one of the "safe throws", but Sanchez put a beautiful pass right to Edwards. Now if Edwards catches that it makes nothing into something

    I'm sorry if this comes off a confusing but I cant tell what your point is because it doesnt make any sense
     

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