Every head coach Woody Johnson has hired except Al Groh has made the playoffs in his first season as head coach after his predecessor missed them the year before. Groh had the handicap of a bored GM looking to go elsewhere. I think that whatever else we can say about the Jets and SOJ that Woody is definitely a break in the pattern.
You think it's Woody... Or Tanny? Personally I think it has more to do with Tannenbaum. Don't get me wrong, I know Woody Johnson makes the final decision, but I think that he takes heavy input from Tannenbaum. Tanny seems more vested in the team, as funny as that seems. He runs it from more of a fans perspective than a managers perspective. I think the decision making when hiring personel is 60/40, in Tanny's favor. Simply because I don't think Mr. Johnson knows much about football, besides owning a team.
Yes, But they are O-Fer in bringing a championship to the NYJ :rofl2: I think we've got the right guy now. Rex may be the second coming of Parcells....
Its a weird pattern. And as a younger Jet fan I'm used to it, rather than going through a decade of turmoil before the team goes one and done. I hope Rex stays around longer than 3-4 years too. How about 7 years minimum of Rex Ryan?
I think that this is kind of a disturbing pattern, actually. Herm and Mangini were able to coach a team assembled by another staff into the postseason, but were unable to coach a team of their own assembly well enough to contend. Hopefully Rex is the next step in this slow process of finding a rookie HC that can actually develop into a great coach who assembles the team he wants and then goes all the way.
True, but if you count this year's draft, Rex did more than Herm or Mangini to change the personnel of the team. A lot of guys are starting right now that weren't starting last year.
I agree with this. Ryan is winning with a lot of guys who were on Mangini's roster, but many of them (DeVito, Pouha, Smith and Lowery just to name a few) are light years more effective than they were under the old regime. Plus, you can be sure that we wouldn't have such an elite defense without Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard, both of whom are Ryan guys. Overall I have a lot of faith in Tannenbaum's ability to bring in good talent, and a lot of faith in Ryan to maximize their ability (on the defensive side; offense is a different beast.)
I think Woody made himself more visible to the fans during the Mangini hiring which would make you think he played a pivotal role in the Jets playoffs appearances. To an extent, yes. I think he was getting more serious as an owner at that time plus the cries for him to do something. That's what I perceived when we promoted Tanny & hired EM. The Jetskins ordeal probably helped as well. Personal opinion of course. With influences like owners Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder wielding power openly & having a hands on approach while having something to hang your cap on is important to a man in his position. Plus the product wasn't looking too hot. I think when Bradway came on Woody felt he could sit back and hope his man would run things appropriately. What else could he do? How he picked him I don't know but he has trusted Bradway from the beginning proved in part in getting Tanny the position he has now, who in turn hired Mangini. As to the playoff appearances I would also attribute credit to parity, strength of schedule, luck & a AFC East Division with as much inconsistency save New England as you can get. The Jets have been riding this wave and catching the right one at the right time albeit sometimes with help. The Bradway players mixed with some of the Parcells leftovers helped us get to the playoffs no doubt. Same for the Mangini playoffs.You have the Bradway players mixed with the Tanny players in a great draft. Tanny has obviously drafted better then Bradway. Bradway's decision along with Woody to step down brought youth into the staff while hiring within to maintain control. (insert the Leon Washinton's aquisition here) While Mangini wasn't a phenomenal success he did assemble a nice foundation gleaned from the divisions top team. Herm was brought in as a defensive mind but was a bad move by Bradway seeing that the current defense was built for a different purpose. Tanny learned from that and did the logical thing and brought in a coach to run with it after the change at HC. Tanny has provided answers for the offense with good drafting and free agency pickups all aimed at toppling the New England Patriots who have capped this division basically since Bill Belichick left. The road to the Supebowl has been through New England for almost ten years out of the AFC East for the most part. So to say it's all been Woody is not entirely the case. While he hasn't exactly been a silent owner the men he put in charge in the GM spot over the years have as much or more to do with it than meets the eye. I am certainly starting to believe there will be even more playoffs in our future. /end rant
And Mangini did the same over his predecessor, Herm, in starting folks and rebuilding the OL. Part of that isn't so much the coach as it is natural maturation of younger players and continued draft success, which I think a serious nod to Tanny is warranted. As far as the Defense though, I think Rex has really managed to draw the talent out and put players in a better place to succeed. Been a long time waiting to see this defense start to fire. We've had talent all along, but it just never seemed to click until now.
Great post/rant Denny. I think Tanny has done a good job as well. His only real bust is Ghosten but it has been indicated that this was a Mangini pick more than Tanny. I also hope Rex is here for a while. However, as soon as we have a 4-12 season this up and down fanbase will be calling for Rex's head.
By this logic Herm has to be credited with one or the other. If you credit the previous staff Mangini's 2006 playoff year was the work of Herm, if you don't then Herm's 2001 playoff team is his own work. I subscribe to the latter, because the GM assembles the team and the coach has to get them from camp to the playoffs, each year is different. Also, we missed the playoffs for two straight years before Herm got here, same as Rex.
Herm absolutely helped assemble the team that Mangini had some initial success with, and he coached the team that Parcells and Groh assembled into the playoffs. I'm not going to refuse a coach credit for wins unless I'm arguing with junc.
We should never have a 4-12 season. If we do then there's good reason to call for regime change. The Steelers last season with less than 5 wins was in 1970. Their last season with less than 6 wins was 1988. Good teams don't collapse to 4-12. Bad ones that need a thorough house-cleaning do.
The Steelers are more the exception than the rule. It would be nice but it's not realistic. Just about every coach who has been here more than 2-3 years has had at least one 4-12 year for one reason or another, injuries or just a bad team. Michaels (1980), Walton (1989), Coslet (1992), Herm (2005) and Mangini (2007). Kotite needed two years to get four wins, Groh and Carroll were one-and-done, Parcells didn't stay long and he barely got back to 8-8 in 1999.
Bill Parcells has not had a 4-12 season or worse since 1983. He's the perfect example of how teams should never go 4-12 except in the once every two decades perfect storm of bad luck. If you look at teams that actually go 4-12 or worse you'll see one of four phenomena at work: 1. They're an expansion franchise starting from scratch. 2. They're just a lousy franchise and always have been. 3. Somebody just got hired to clean up a bad coaches mess. 4. Somebody is about to get fired. One other thing: teams that go 4-12 more than once a decade generally are the teams that have not made the playoffs much in their history. It's kind of the mark of a bad team to have more than one decrepit season a decade. As an example, the teams that went 4-12 twice or more in the decade of the 00's were - Atlanta Falcons, Arizona Cardinals, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Houston Texans, Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, New York Jets, Oakland Raiders, San Diego Chargers, San Francisco 49ers, St Louis Rams, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Breaking down that list you have three groups of teams: 1. The long-term disabled who have never competed well in the NFL since the merger. Atlanta Falcons, Arizona Cardinals, Cincinnati Bengals, Detroit Lions, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, San Diego Chargers, St Louis Rams and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 2. The recent additions by expansion. Cleveland Browns and Houston Texans. 3. The teams that have recently experienced an ownership change for the worse, or should have had one for the better. Miami Dolphins, Oakland Raiders and San Francisco 49ers. Basically 4 wins or below is where the teams that are incapable of competing long-term cluster in their worst seasons. Note that even in the Jets best decade for making the playoffs they were in the group of teams that repeated at that poor level.
