I know WR isn't really our top priority but say we have another 2nd or 3rd pick (which means we traded down in rd 1) and already got ourselves a 3-4 DE (most pressing need). Let's also assume Schotty remains as our OC (which I think could happen although I'm not estatic about it). If that's the case would it make sense and would you like the Jets to draft Golden Tate? I think he is a really solid reciever with very goor route running skills, great hands and is very reliable. We need some help on the recieving front and although I'd like us to draft Gresham and use Keller as a TE/slot WR (like we already do) I think he'll be gone by the end of rd 1... at this point a guy like Tate makes a lot of sense IMO. Imagine a 3 reciever set of Edwards - Cotchery - Tate + Keller and Leon! How do you cover that? We are one reciever away from being a potentially very strong passing team (if Sanchez develops of course). Another guy I'd like with similar (but inferior) skills is Jordan Shipley. He is also a very good PR and if he falls to say rd 3 - 4 I'd love him on our team. Any other WRs with this sort of skills (route running, reliable hands, Wes Welker like)? PS I made the Schotty premise because he likes to go exotic with his recievers.
I really believe Golden Tate is going to be an outstanding NFL prospect. I put Tate as one of my can't miss players in an earlier thread. Tate has some of the strongest hands I've ever seen, on par with Larry Fitz. I just don't know if the Jets can afford to draft a WR in rd 1, cause Tate will probably end up a late 1st rd pick. As Mambo mentioned, the Jets would have to trade back in rd 1 or up into late Rd 1 or early rd 2 (not a good idea) to have a shot at Tate.
It depends on how the Combine goes (WR stock change soo much) but I was hoping with guys like Williams, Bryant, Benn and LaFell plus the overall talent in this draft maybe Tate was going to fall to mid 2nd rd. What's your take on Shipley?
I doubt Tate will be a mid-2nd rd pick...but it's early. I like Shipley, I had him in my last Jet's mock. Shipley needs to bulk up a little and he's injury prone. I question his separation, but he plays faster (football speed) and has good hands. This draft being so deep, Shipley at best will be a rd 3 pick and the Jets don't have one.
I think our top prioriety is to get a pass rusher, however I wouldn't mind if the Jets drafted Tate. He's a great route runner.
I wonder what the hell happened to Robiskie in Cleveland... he's buried waay deep in the depth chart (even behind Furrey!). It kinda sucks we lost Stuckey, he wa a good slot... but I guess there always is some talent available in the later rds... what about Jeff Moturi? I'm just throing names out there I know... PS Southpark... I agree but except Norwood is there any other OLB worth mentioning for late (25-32) rd 1? If we trade back to that spot and Hayward, Dunlap are gone and Norwood is gone who the hell do we get?
I do think that WR is a big need for the Jets, but the type of WR that Tate is, is not what we need. I love Tate as a pro prospect. I'm not sure about him being a great route runner, but I will say he is beyond his years in being able to position himself between the DB and the ball - meaning he makes the DB's go thru him to get to the ball. This is something that Cotchery is fanatastic at and in that regard their styles of play are too similar for us to draft Tate. Think how many times a DB has actually knocked a ball away or out of Cotchery's hands - not many at all - Body poistioning and strong hands are his biggest assets at the position. Maybe this is fftopic: but to give a better picture of what i'm getting at - think realisitically about how many times we have seen a NYJ WR run a route that calls for him to run across the field and away from the DB's. Our WR's catch and gain little YAC - not necessarily because of poor throws, but due more to the fact that the offense does not call for WR's to run thru zones or flood zones, which in turn makes the DB's chase. Schoty's system seemingly has the WR's run to positions (12 yard in's / 8 yard out's / 7 yard curls), which has the QB to throw to a spot. Relate what I'm saying to Wes Welker, DeSean Jackson, Steve Smith, Miles Austin, Sidney Rice..... How often do these guys catch a ball and get tackled immediately? Hardly ever. Why? Because they are elusive WR's that run crossing routes, or run thru zones where when they catch the ball they are being chased aloowing them to pile up the YAC. So anyway. Like I said, I think WR is a big need for us to open up our offense. Maybe we had this "elusive WR" or Slot WR in Stuckey - IMO he wasn't. Who fits this mold coming out of college? Mardy Gillyard - Cinn (not a 1st rounder / 2nd maybe due to Special teams play) is my ideal choice Brandon Lafell - LSU (not a 1st rounder / probably late 2nd early 3rd) Blair White - Michigan State - (not a 1st rounder / probalby 4th orund or later.)
If the Jets drafted Golden Tate, he'd play in the slot - a lot like a Wes Welker. The fact that you don't think Tate is good after the catch shows me that you didn't watch much Notre Dame football. The best thing about Tate is that he played in a pro-style offense at Notre Dame. He'll more than likely be able to contribute right away because he'll be able to pick things up quickly.
While I would not be all that ahppy about a receiver in round one, I would not mind Tate. He brings the type of skills we need to the offense and at a very high level. I would still rather see a NT or O-line Brought in, but Tate is a very good option.
^^^ Yea this. Tate is bad after the catch? AYFKM. Thats one of his best atributes. I agreee with the Welker, or even a Percy Harvin (who's been very good underneath for the vikings this year), type comparison. The kid could be a very special player in the right offense.
I think we go D in the first round if we dont trade down. I want a d-lineman and an O lineman before we talk about a WR. I think J Co./Edwards/Keller/Clowney are good enough to get it done once we boot our fuck face OC and Sanchez develops a bit more.
Tate is a poor mans Percy Harvin. Still a top notch prospect, I just wish we could've had a chance at Harvin. :/
Tate runs routes 100 times better then Harvin!!! And sthats exactly what we need for Sanchez... a guy who doesn't run lousy routes through the middle.
Exactly. Also, playing in a pro-style system at Notre Dame will really speed up Tate's transition to the pro game.
Getting Golden Tate would be the best move for Sanchez we could ever ask for and our Offense in general. He is awesome and is going to be a stud.. I think we might be thinking defense first but in reality giving sanchez all the weapons he needs is the best idea. We have a good defense already we can get dept in later rounds.
