Straw man argument? You completely ignore those facts and zero in on a fookin rookie. They're the top rushing team because they 2 games in a row against high school teams. Don't remember that? A top flight D that can't seem to stop anyone when it really matters. Have you watched any games? The kid played 16 college games....he's in the NFL. He's being asked to do a LOT, but you can't seem to get that through your head. Special teams that gave up 2 KO TDs in a row to lose the game and couldn't hit how many FGs this past week? Sorry, stats don't say shit. Crunch time tells the true story. Unlike the D, Sanchez has actually put the team in a position to win in a couple of games, but that stellar D always seems to fold when the pressure is on. You bitch about junc and stats and you're just as bad. Try watching a fookin game once in a while. Sanchez has been great at times and shitty at times. Again, find me a solution instead of bitching. Its easy to bitch and critique but can you actually provide any solid ideas? I don't think you can. So you can just keep bitching and showing your ignorance. Nobody was expecting Joe Montana in his prime, and if you were you were a fool.
So Atlanta scoring 10 points was all about our D but us scoring 7 points was all about Sanchez. The last time the Jets faced a big time O in good conditions Brady raped our D. The way games are played have as much to do with the points scored as averages. 16 point in that kind of game in the wind was more than enough in fact 13 would have been plenty. WTF does average scores have to do with anything. Atlanta didn't need a FG they needed a TD. Our D outright sucked based on that fact at the key point in the game. Our FG unit outright sucked the entire game. That is not on the QB.
Johnny takes this very personally. It's just a message board, Johnny, and I understand your Sanchez love is being quite strained, but I am just trying to have an intelligent discussion here. WB, I can't believe you are serious that average points scored means nothing. The final score is what counts in the game, not when the points were scored. Too much is made of that fact. If the Jets were up two scores, who would give a shit if Atlanta scored a TD at the end? I understand that it is troubling when they break at the end, but that doesn't mean that their ability to hold the opponent over the course of the whole game to ten points goes for nothing, and that giving up a single TD in the game (because of when they did) means that they suck. As for game conditions, how many interceptions did Atlanta's Qb throw?
So, personal attacks are to be applauded? I was trying to have an intelligent discussion on the merits, but Johnny gets personal and you want to give him a kiss. Well, if that's the best you guys can do... Rodimus, At least you ask a serious question - what I am trying to say is that our rookie Qb is not showing improvement after having been played almost the entire season. The question is both why and what can we look forward to? You can bet this will be a HUGE point of discussion here in the off season. Some will say it's the coaches, particularly BS. Maybe it is. I doubt it, but... The bottom line is MS needs to substantially improve to become even an average NFL Qb. While we wait for him to do so, the team has several vets who get older by the minute. I have real concerns about the divering timelines involved. Even if MS develops and can perform average or better in, say, two years, will the rest of the team be there? As I said before, Ryan certainly thinks something is wrong. If it were his view that "well you just have to accept this from a rookie" or "what can you do? Leon went out" I doubt he brings in the color coding. It just doesn't add up. Are the coaches, including Ryan, at fault here? Maybe. Well, we won't sort it out today, and I don't know the answers either. Don't claim to. But I do think there is a real problem. The Jets invested a lot in this guy, and I don't for a minute buy that he's just having the usual problems adjusting.
Nothing in that post constituted a personal attack. Unless you were expecting Sanchez to play like Joe Montana in his prime, in which case he was calling you a fool.
A lot of what you say is true for the most part, but where exactly has Sanchez been "great"?He was solid in the first couple of games, and had some flashes against Miami, but I and a lot of Jet fans are still waiting to see "great".
I call the fucking guy Interceptchez so it has nothing to do with love. He was and still is a better option than anyone else on the team. What I'm saying is there's plenty of blame all around for this team losing and you're focusing on a single aspect: the rookie. It's the easy way out to just blame him. Hell he's has his share of utter dogshit, and nobody is denying that. At the same time you have to recognize when the guy did good, he did really fucking good. He has a good work ethic, he's young, he can make all the throws, and he's tough. That automatically makes him better than any other QB on the roster. Not to mention, in case you haven't noticed, Schotty runs a pretty complex O, with his cute little plays and his shifts. Geez man.... You're complaining like this was our only chance at a SB. Sorry to tell ya but some people knew the depth on this team was crap, and the starting receivers were sketchy at best. The D is overrated. They have the stats but not the nuts to stop anyone in a time of desperation. That's the very definition of the word overrated. The ST have let some big plays go...not many but everyone knows ST is the strongest unit on this team. So don't dismiss me with a half-assed stat and a homoerotic fantasy you're caught up in.
The Miami games were great. Hell, as you said, to start the season he was very good too. How many 3rd down conversions did he make? Teams build film throughout the year. It could be teams keying in on Schotty's O and putting this kid in a bad position to start with. He does a lot of staring down. He seems to grip a little better lately, which was pretty important. His receivers haven't exactly been amazing, either. Edwards can dazzle and infuriate all in the same game. Keller has been a disappoinment to expectations, bloated or not. The running game amassed huge amounts of yards in 2 or 3 games, but hasn't been used enough, or properly, or just hasn't performed. There's no change of pace back, with Leon out. A lot of the games we won you can directly attribute to him. You can also steer blame away from him in both Miami games where he put the team in a position to win several times. For me, I'd say what he's done good so far, is impressive. What's he's done bad so far has been maddening. He's young and he needs a smarter coordinator.
Sanchez needs to learn, but part of me feels that Schotty doesn't really want to teach him. I never thought that it was a great idea to draft a QB with a pre-established OC like Schotty to begin with. This team has most of the players, but we need to allow Ryan to get his guys where he sees fit (including the coaching staff). I hope Schotty moves on next season.
??? so the solution is to put a rookie QB in the hands of an Offensive Coordinator that has no prior experience? yes, that makes much more sense. or are you saying an OC already established with the current team? all OC's are going to have a system, whether it is established or not with the current team is irrelevant -- it is still brand new to the rookie QB. how does not having an established OC change that dynamic for a rookie QB?
I don't see how anyone can blame the defense for the Falcons loss. They are not ELITE. No. Definitely not. And they have their part in this latest loss. And they haven't been good at the end of games. All true points. But they gave up 10 points. Period. End of story. The Jets offense has to score more than 7 (much of this can be attributed to awful special teams play.) But, for this game, you have to blame the special teams and the offense as a whole. Sanchez is BIG part of the offense. He's the qb. So he deserves much of the blame. Of the Jets 7 losses, he has been largely responsible for 3 or 4 of them (Saints, Bills, NE#2, Falcons) You just can't turn the ball over like he has and expect the defense to be able to hold up. In fact, it's INCREDIBLE this defense has been as good as it has even with these turnovers. I think Sanchez is going to be a very good qb...but right now...he's hurting the team. He's also better than Clemens (pathetic on Clemens' part)and so we didn't really have any better options.
None because they were dropped by Leonard, Shepherd and Revis. There were several ball that should have been picked by our D. Most notably was the ball that hit Leonard right in the numbers....Looking at the play he would have scored as well
