The Credit Schotty gets for Drew Brees has to end.

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    He did a great job w/ him but it's not like Flacco doesn't have talent and Schottenheimer is doing a good job w/ sanchez. People blmaing the offnese or sanchez for us being 7-7 just haven't been paying attention. We didn't lose on Sunday b/c of sanchez.
     
  2. TheCoolerGlennFoley

    TheCoolerGlennFoley Well-Known Member

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    I think Schottenheimer is better served coaching an offense with an established QB on a more veteran laden team. I don't think helping develop QB's is his strong point.

    But I think it also should be recognized that in the last 2 years, later on in the process players were added that changed the schemes, both Favre and Edwards. Granted both were talent upgrades and no one should complain, but adding a guy like Edwards midseason before they have a chance to develop timing or see what Edwards can/can't do isn't the best recipe for success.

    With that said, his playcalling is inexcusable.
     
  3. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez,Cotchery,Edwards and Keller don't draw up the plays.
     
  4. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Why is it acceptable to start 82 different variations of the "Schotty SUXS" threads? Damn.

    We have the best rushing attack in football. I don't want to hear shit that it's all Callahan. We have an offense that is grooming the QB of the future. WTF do you people expect? Should this offense be perfect right now, with a rookie QB and a #1 WR who wasn't even a member of the team for the first few games?

    Of course, Brett Favre's arm falling apart last year was Schotty's fault too. It's not like Favre ever has a problem with any other coaches either, right?

    And Chad being one stiff breeze away from IR made Schottenheimer's plans work as well. Oh, and that awesome offensive line definitely worked well too.

    Oh, I'm sorry, this thread is about Drew Brees. The Drew Brees that still calls Brian Schottenheimer every single game week to discuss football. Yes. Obviously Drew Brees is semi-retarded and doesn't realize Schotty Jr. is a loser who is making him a terrible QB.

    Unreal.

    EDIT:I'm actually going to laugh my ass off when people see that Schottenheimer is still the coach in 2010.
     
  5. red75bronco

    red75bronco Well-Known Member

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    We couldn't run the ball the first two years under Schotty. Callahan came, faneca came and we are top 5 last two years. All credit goes to BS.
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Maybe they are friends. I don't choose my friends by how good they are at their jobs.
     
  7. Mambo9

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    That's exactly the point... his schemes are too complex/finesse for our offense... especially for a rookie!

    I don't know if Schotty is good or not.. but he doesn't fit our offensive personnel and he should be gone.

    It's like taking a great run-first OC and putting him in Arizona or Houston... he might be good but he doesn't fit there. Same thing with putting a guy like Martz in a run oriented team... Schotty doesn't belong in the new course Rex is trying to set, regardless of wether he is a genius (which I personally don't think he is) or not.

    PS nyjunc Schotty clearly isn't doing a good job in developing Sanchez... come on man...! He looks lost analyzing Schotty's plays.
     
  8. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Injuries aside, since the O is missing Leon and the D is missing Jenkins... the Jets defense is ranked 1st in the league or close to it and the defensive personnel are far from where we'd ideally like it to be. Defense could still use an upgrade at DE, OLB, CB, and possibly S due to Rhodes. Now that is over-achievement AND upside.

    Conversely, the offense just about has the personnel in place that you'd ideally want. Granted, this season has shown we need Leon back in the worst way as pointed out by Biggs... but having all this talent in place and our offense is average. Not only is it average, but it has been so for four years under this system. This is what you'd call an underachieving offense.

    If the Jets want to seriously take advantage of the defense they have then they need a coordinator who gets this group to overachieve, like Rex/Pettine are doing with the defense. Schotty isn't the worst... he certainly isn't Paul Hackett... but we're not going to get any better than we already are with him calling the shots.

    It's time for a new coordinator.
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The first year Kevan Barlow was our top RB.

    The 2nd year we had a pathetic OL

    Last year we got a great OL Coach and huge additions to the OL. To act like the ground game suffering those first 2 years was b/c of Brian is laughable. It's like the folks who said we couldn't run b/c Chad had a weak arm or that favre was the reason we ran it so well last year.

    I think we are almost there personnel wise but we do have a rookie QB, we did lose our best playmaker, Cotch has missed games and played hurt and we got Braylon in october.

    The D is achieveing not overachieveing, it's really good but not great despite what the rankings say.

    The D has now blown 3 games on last minute drives, that's not a great D. I think it will be but until we learn to pay D to close out games we won't be great.

    AGAIN, if it was all about the QB and the offense we'd be 11-3 right now.
     
  10. WhiteShoeWillis

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    While the D did give up that last drive, they gave up 10 points all game. That's a good enough performance to win. We need more out of our offense/ST's units.

    If you can't score more than 10 you're going to lose pretty much every time.
     
  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I don't blame the D for the loss, I blame STs BUT the D has to get a stop there. They played great for 3 1/2 qtrs but truly great D's will close that out no matter what the O does. It's not like the O gave Atlanta a short field, they had a long way to go and they did it.
     
  12. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I think that was on Rex, actually. The defense was not playing man on that drive where they scored with Gonzales. Revis wasn't man-up on Roddy White, White made a reception in a soft zone assigned to Strickland and they gave up a nice reception plus 15 yards for a penalty.

    The team wasn't bumping any receivers in that drive because they were in a zone off the LOS. Had they been playing man/zone with a true pass rush like they had been doing the entire game, it would have been the same result as they had been getting the entire game. Gonzales even said after the game that he had been getting beat up all game and all of a sudden the defense was off the LOS and not bumping.
     
  13. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    That sounds way too much like Mangini.
     
  14. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    The fact is our offense doesn't provide any cover for our defense and special teams mistakes. It's not even that they struggle to score... it's that they can't score on an NFL level. Our offense plays well enough to go 3-13. Until they can score more and more consistently with less turnovers, it's a credit that we've won as much as we have.
     
  15. rmagedon

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    Anybody else notice how Sanchez is never looking over defensive formations and going over it with Schotty so that they could pick apart what kinda coverages Atlanta runs on certain 3rd downs or the duration of a drive?

    It doesn't make any sense.

    I see a 12-year vet like Peyton Manning go 3 and out, and as soon as his ass hits the bench, he's already looking flipping thru the defensive formations binder and going over certain things with the OC or QB coach. I see Brady doing the same thing a good amount of the time.

    Why isn't Sanchez doing any of those things? If he is, why isn't he doing it the entire game? Maybe Sanchez is seeing something out there Schotty isn't seeing and vice-versa. Why wouldn't Schotty want to give him options if certain coverages are rolling a certain way and which checkdown has been open all game? I just don't get it. I guess communication between OC and QB is really just for suckers. Go out there and wing it kid.
     
  16. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    FTR, I did see him do it this week. I agree overall though. It hasn't been done nearly enough.

    Again though, I think time is needed to get Sanchez right in this scheme, but once he gets it, it's going to be fun to watch.
     
  17. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    soft, pussy defense in crunch time?

    great.
     
  18. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

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    So now the QB coach has nothing to do with developing Qbs? What exactly does the QB do then?
     
  19. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    I've heard they are like a middle man between the OC and QB.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Our O has scored 22 or more points in 6 of our 14 games. Only twice all year ahve they scored 10 or less. The O is scoring enough to win most weeks w/ a Defense like we have. If it was all about the O and the QB we'd be 11-3.
     

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