The Credit Schotty gets for Drew Brees has to end.

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  1. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    His name is Cam Cameron.

    Look him up. He's dealt with Brees, Rivers, and Flacco. All are top QBs in this league.

    Can we now stop thinking that the QB coach of the Chargers is the sole reason why Brees is what he is today?

    What does Cam Cameron do in terms of offensive philosophy? Has a great rushing attack, uses the TE well, and doesn't put his QB in shitty situations. Everything Schotty sucks at, minus the rushing attack - even though I've read reports/player interviews/etc. that Bill Callahan is the real reason why its so successful. He is in charge of the running game.

    In Conclusion, Cutesy has done nothing but be his father's son. He's not some wizkid, he's a bad fit for this team. Nothing he wants to do is in agreement with what Rex wants to run.
     
  2. Christian

    Christian Active Member

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    I would like a restraining order issued for this man to not be allowed in the same state as Sanchez. I really think he will stunt Mark's growth long term. We really need to find someone who knows how to develop a quarterback ASAP!
     
  3. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    You can't ignore the fact that we have a rookie QB and we don't have a running back who can take a swing pass or a dump off or a screen since Leon went down. This has severly limited the safe options for Sanchez. We also don't have a slot reciever.

    Brady gets to throw 15 safe short throws to Welker and Faulk ever game. Sanchez has two WR options and a TE who is worthless inside in traffic.
     
  4. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Good point. That's why I miss the quick outs and the slant routes. They seem to have gone by the way side.

    I'd like to see the stuff Pennington did. Timing routes, good play action, simple football.

    I just want everyone to know its Cam Cameron and not Marty's son.
     
  5. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Unfortunately Cotchery is the only option who can actually run a pass pattern. Sanchez actually had some timeing with both Stuckey and Leon. Edwards gets open but he doesn't run disciplined routes and they really haven't had the time to develop consistent timeing together. Clearly there is little confidence in Jones or Greene to catch the ball in traffic, it's one of the reasons we run so many empty backfields on third down and their trying to put Woodhead in this role, almost laughable.

    I was never a Shotty fan but the kind of O most people here think we should run was severly hurt by Leon going down and the trading of Stuckey a guy who could have been a good slot reciever who actually ran desciplined patterns for a big play or bust WR in Edwards.
     
  6. Zach

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    Hold your horses.

    His father wins, be it regular season only, but he wins at least.

    The son doesn't. Brian is NOT being his father's son. He's the black sheep of the clan - a born loser from the start.
     
    #6 Zach, Dec 22, 2009
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  7. LoyalJetsFan

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    I for one never gave Schotty any credit for Brees.

    Don't know much about Cam as an OC, but he failed horribly as the HC in Miami....please see Tedd Ginn.
     
  8. Zach

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    You know, some folks are never destined to be a good HC despite being a phenomenal guru at either offense or defense. Cam Cam isn't the only example that counts here. i.e. do you know that guy who runs the team down there at San Diego? He was a destructive force as an OC at Dallas, but since he took the HC job, he's been doing barely Ok - he sucked real hard in the past, and got better to just around average.
     
  9. Zach

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    I say... negative in every accord.

    Favre had all the option last year - Stuckey in the slot, and Leon on the dump-off. He didn't utilize any either. Is it because Favre is too manly to dump off to safety option?

    The crux of the problem is that, BS never develops more than 2 receivers at all times. Jets never had more than 2 legitimate receiving threats, even during Pennington era. If your claim has to have any leg to stand on, then you need to show which slot receiver Pennington used on a regular basis. (Ok... Leon was underused, but he was used as a dump-off at least, so that claim seems to have some legitimacy.)
     
  10. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    What has a Cam Cameron offense ever done? Won ZERO games as an OC in SD(does anyone remember our 2004 playoff game at SD?), won ONE game as a HC in Miami and last year they made a run to the title game that was all defense.

    Brian has done a good job here, he helped rejuvenate Chad after multiple shoulder injuries, it's not his fault we had OL and QB problems in '07 or that Favre did his annual fold in december last year. this year he and the staff are developing a rookie QB and doing a damn good job of it but we need a scapegoat.
     
  11. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Look at the start to Brees's career......... bad enough to be benched for Flutie, pushing them to draft Rivers.

    Who knew become the player he is today? I'm just glad the Dolphins chose to sign Culpepper instead. :lol:
     
  12. Mambo9

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    Next time you make another Schotty can you please add "Mambo9 agrees with me" at the end please...?

    I feel exactly the same way about our OC... I so hope something happens this off-season...
     
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    This is why I want Gresham on this team! And when he is in Keller can be the slot... ta-da.. 2 problems solved in 1!
     
  14. Mambo9

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    Oh yeah... the Ravens are really having a tough time putting up points... Ray Rice is running sooo bad... and Flacco hasn't developed one bit from last season... come on man!!!
     
  15. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Their O is a main reason they are alive this year BUT his O's collapsed in playoff games in SD and di nothing last year for Baltimore. let's see them do this january w/ their D not being as dominant as it was.

    It's amazing the lengths we'll go to discredit our latest scapegoat. Pretty soon we'll hear how great of an OC that paul hackett was.
     
  16. WhiteShoeWillis

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    You act like Schotty's offense has actually done something.
     
  17. Red Menace

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    Actually you are correct to believe that BC is responsible for the rushing success as he implemented the Zone blocking scheme the Jets use.
     
  18. Red Menace

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    NYJUNC, while I don't want BS as the OC for the 2010 season, I never want to see PH back in the Jets organization.

    It's also amazing the length you go to defend some one who should have been released when the new coaching staff was hired. What did BS do when he did not receive the HC job? He threw a fit, if this were a kick ball game he would have taken his ball and went home because he did not get his way.

    Fire the guy he has done nothing in the NFL to merit the amount of leeway he has been given by this organization. :mad:
     
  19. Mambo9

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    Yeah but last year he developed Flacco pretty well didn't he? (considering how raw he was)... we are not saying he designs the best schemes in the world... just that he runs a solid offense and knows how to develop a rookie QB. How many OC can do that as well as Cam has proven he can?
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    No but when has he had big time offenses to work w/? he took over and Chad was coming off TWO shoulder surgeries and had never played 16 games, the next year our OL was brutal an Chad was playing hurt, the next year he got favre w/ a month to go before the season started and this year he has a rookie he is developing. he hasn't had a chance to have a big time O YET. We have pieces going forward and he'll have his chances, I'll re-evaluate in the next year or 2.

    If he just accepted not getting the HC job we'd criticize him for not shoing competitive fire. Did you want him to be happy he didn't get a job he wanted?
     

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