To All of the Carlos Dunlap haters:

Whaaaaaat??? I don't get it!! What did I miss??

 

Pryor can't run a 4.3

 

Yes I understand but, if you are a first round pick I think teams expect more than simply stopping the run you need to be a two way guy

 

The kid would be a track star if it payed enough. He was Rodriguez's biggest target and his biggest miss at Michigan and his speed was a major factor for that. The dude is faster than Pat White.

 

Agree to disagree here, but I'll make a wager, of something, when he comes out in a couple years. The dude is a good runner, and is strong, but he can't fly.

 

Williams had as many tackles and sacks his senior year as Dunlap has in his career, and was a great kid, too.

 

no post here...

 

True true, and they are all exceptional players. Its a little unfair to compare to Ngata a NT, to a DE but I see where you are going still. Your going to want a guy who can rush the passer if needed, because the last thing I would (more like prefer not to have) Tyson Jackson 2.0 a guy who cant really get to the QB but is good against the run

 

I'd take Dunlap over Cody, but that's because I don't think Cody is that great (late first, 2nd rounder). I'm still mixed on Dunlap, there's a bunch of youtube videos of him playing that I've been meaning to watch. Maybe once finals are over...

I think the most important thing concerning Dunlap for me would be how he uses leverage. Can he get under o-linemen and push them back while he maintains his gap? Can he get off of block effectively? From the one video I've seen of him, he looked ok. I hope he plays against Cincy.

 

A lot of different topics here, so I'll go one by one...


First thing, Terrell Pryor is fast. Really damn fast. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he was able to run a 4.3 40 yard dash. One thing about 40s is that the only way they are truly comparable is if they are run on the same track. Mike Vick ran a 40 in like 4.2 if I'm not mistaken, but that was on VT's famously super-fast track. The combine on the other hand is a much slower track, which is why lesser knowns have to run there and the higher up guys don't. What exactly will he run, I don't know, but he's faster than a lot of the top guys out there.


Now, to Carlos Dunlap. I hate the comparison between Mario Williams and Carlos Dunlap. Physically, they are very near the same, but their games are totally different. Could Williams play a run-focused game? Yes, easily. As could Carlos do what Mario does as a passrusher, but he's not. In my mind, that's the biggest reason for a lot of the casual draft fans questions about Carlos, because they hear all these great things, but they don't see dominance like Mario once did.

It's funny too, because when I heard all these reports about him being lazy I started to buy into it. Maybe all the hype is bogus, i thought. Well, if there was ANY doubt how important he is, just look at what Alabama did to that defense when he was out. Dunlap is EVERYTHING to that front seven, absolutely everything. Without him, they're a good team, but one that's beatable, with him they are elite. The best player on that defense is Joe Haden, but without Dunlap they are a different team.

The one thing that everyone needs to remember when they evaluate Carlos Dunlap is to think of him more as a defensive tackle than as a defensive end. When people see DE they automatically think, OK, well how many sacks did he get, can he get to the QB, then after that how does he stand up to the run. If the Jets take Carlos Dunlap, they'll need him to stop the run, that's his job. He knows that job coming from a defense that extensively ran a 3-3-5 defense, he excels at that job. People ask, well, why would he fall to #17 if he's so amazing? The easy answer is that I can see many of your concerns be a lot more legitimate to a 43 team that needs a guy that's more passrusher than runstopper, because that's not what he's used to.

There was a comment made earlier comparing Dunlap and Suh, saying that Suh is better because he went beyond simply doing "his job". Last I checked, that Florida DL and defense altogether was pretty damn dominant despite some injuries with Dunlap in the lineup, what else could you ask for? Is Suh a better prospect? Yeah, but that's just because Suh is outstanding.

And for maturity? The DUI was moronic, but, to borrow a quote from NBA GMs, I care about where his head will be when he's 25, not where it is now that he's 20. If the FO is confidant he's got what it takes to play in the NFL, I won't question it.

And really, the choice of Dunlap or Dan Williams? I like Williams and all, but no way. He's a solid player and a good potential NT, but Dunlap could be as good a DE as there is when it comes to the 34 in the league. If it's Cody and Dunlap, I cry tears of joy, because we're in a great spot.

 

Thank you, that made ten times more sense, no offense to Mr.E's breakdown. I never really got a grasp of how we would draft a "does his job" kind of guy in the first round. "does his job" sounds like a guy who would go in the third not first. Perhaps "goes above and beyond what is expected" is a better term. But now I see, still not sold but I'm liking him alot more after that post. nice job GH

 

Oh its more than possible. Its a risk reward issue for me. Williams is a lesser risk and a bit lesser upside from what I can see, which from this far outside the process, is admittedly little.

The Key for Dunlap at this point is the combine interviews and not the tests. Everyone knows his physical side is top notch. He needs to Ace his interviews. He should be working with an imiage consultant. Try to seek out advise from someone like Tony Dungy. Put forth a good show that he is serious about what he is about to undertake.

From my prespective as of now, I am not willing to bet the cost both talent wise and money wise that he Matures over night. If Rex and company were to do so and draft him I'll support the guy 100%. I just want less risk involved in my #1 pick when there is compareable talent available.

 

His DUI entirely disproves your theory that he is doing anything he can to prove that he wants it. Just the opposite actually, a guy that has football as his number one priority is not getting a DUI the week before the championship game.

I wouldn't discount him completely for the DUI but combine that with his history of taking plays(games) off and he becomes a huge risk. He is the ultimate boom/bust prospect and considering we recently have been burned bigtime by another boom/bust prospect I could see the FO shying away from him. I could also see Rex falling in love with his talent and thinking he can get the best out of him as well. A lot will be riding on his interviews, if he comes out looking good then he probably won't make it to our pick anyway. If he doesn't he very well may drop to the end of round 1 or even 2nd round.

 

I don't know how Pryor became part of this topic.

What makes Pryor special is his Size/Speed ratio.

Pryor is the fastest Buckeye...Period. He has been clocked at 4.33. OSU does have one of the fastest tracks in College Football. As you mentioned, Pryor doesn't look fast playing the game, he uses his size and strenght to avoid defenders, he's deceptively fast. Pryor rarely gets a chance to get into the open field...if he does not many will catch him.

I've seen Pryor numerous times run toward the sideline and make the turn upfield instead of going out of bounds, using a stiff arm on the defender.

Pryor has shown a little improvement in the passing game this year, still a work in progress. I don't see Pryor as a NFL starting QB (at least this point in his career)...maybe a role like Brad Smith (wildcat option) or a possible receiver. At any rate, Pryor would be a great weapon in the NFL for the right team.

Your comparison of Young's running style to Pryor is spot on.

Here's an article on Pryor and his great speed:

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2009/08/ohio_state_quarterback_terrell_1.html