QB's going in Round 1

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  1. TheCoolerGlennFoley

    TheCoolerGlennFoley Well-Known Member

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    Last couple years we've seen some quarterbacks go back for an extra year to not have to compete with others jumping into the draft. But with the likely reduction in draft picks' salaries, I think you could see a lot of quarterbacks enter the draft and get taken in the first round:

    Jimmy Claussen, Notre Dame
    Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
    Jake Locker, Washington
    Ryan Mallet, Arkansas
    Tim Tebow, Florida

    Possibly at the end of round 1/early round 2:

    Jevan Snead, Ole Miss
    Tony Pike, Cincinnati
    Colt McCoy, Texas


    Did I miss anyone?
     
  2. WW85

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    My guess in late Nov...4 QBs go in rd 1.

    Clausen, Bradford & Locker could all be top 10 picks.

    Tebow will probably be a Mid-first.

    Tony Pike might slip into the end of Rd 1, if he has a great game against Pitt and a good bowl game.

    Mallett....Round 2...a GM will fall in love with his measurables. If Mallett stays another year he could be one of the top QBs in 2011's draft. I love Mallett's NFL upside!!!

    IMO, Snead will be a 3rd Rd pick or less, that's where he belongs. Not to be an ass....does anyone else think Snead looks Fat (out of shape)???

    McCoy.......maybe 4th round.

    My dark horse is Dan LeFevour. Played in the weak MAC, but you can't deny his production.
     
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  3. BamaZeus

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    I agree with the general assessment.

    Locker, Bradford and Clausen will be the first 3 off the board in the early-mid 1st. The wildcard is Tebow, whether a team like Jacksonville is willing to take a chance on him in order to put butts in seats, and how they plan to use him.

    Pike has greatly improved his standing and could possibly sneak into the bottom of the 1st depending on team needs. Mallett has great measurables, but he's somewhat immobile, so he has to go to a team with a more traditional offense, or one where they can use the Wildcat and maybe let him use his size to block at WR for a few plays.

    McCoy has all the intangibles, and definitely proved his mobility vs. A+M the other night. To me, the only thing separating Bradford and McCoy is that Bradford is 2 inches taller and McCoy is slightly more mobile. Other than that, I can't figure out the scouts' love for one and not the other, but that's probably why I'm not a professional scout.

    I'm probably the only one, but Snead hasn't impressed me much at all compared to the others. Again, the scouts seem to love his arm and his size, but a strong arm isn't everything: just ask Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell. He'll still go in the 3rd or 4th round, but I'm more impressed with Lefevour than Snead.
     
  4. afternoondelight

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    mccoy will be a first rounder.


    CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
    217 318 2570 68.2 8.08 72 29 7 14 161.82
    2007 276 424 3303 65.1 7.79 62 22 18 24 139.16
    2008 332 433 3859 76.7 8.91 91 34 8 24 173.75
    2009 310 432 3328 71.8 7.70 88 27 9 21 152.93
    Projected 336 468 3605 71.8 7.70 88 29 10 23 152.93
     
  5. Mr Electric

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    Texas A&M's Jerrod Johnson

    BTW, Jevan Snead is terrible.
     
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  6. WW85

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    In your dreams.
     
  7. Mr Electric

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    No, he won't....unless he pulls off some crazy shit at the combine.

    Don't post college quarterback stats - all I have to do to discredit them is talk about the spread offense.

    Colt McCoy does not have all the intangibles you look for in a pro quarterback.

    So what if the kid can run? A lot of guys can run at the college level.

    Sam Bradford is listed at 6'4 225, while McCoy is listed at 6'2 210. Size is important in the NFL - not necessarily height (6'2 is big enough to start at QB in the pros), but size. McCoy has a terrible build and he's far to light to take hits for very long in the NFL.

    McCoy put up stats on a lot of bad defenses. When he played a top caliber defense against Oklahoma, he struggled. The Nebraska game will be huge for this kid. For the second time this season, he'll play a REAL defense.

    Arm strength is the defining factor for me. McCoy doesn't have it.
     
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    I think Mallet and Snead should go back to school, and as great as Tebow is in college, I really don't think he'll make it in the NFL.

    Clausen should start looking at houses in the St louis area
     
  9. DraftaFullBack

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    Stats are meaningless when evaluating college QBs as pro prospects
     
  10. Attackett

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    This is great news for the Jets. The more Qbs that go in the top 10 the better for the Jets. You have to figure at least two but more likely three Qbs go before the Jets pick which drops down three players that they may be interested in.

    This is one reason I can see a player like Berry drop into the 10-15 range. He is a great player with top 5 talent but this draft is loaded at prime positions which could drop a player like Berry further down then he should go.
     
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    Might Oakland be interested in a QB? Mallet seems like a Davis kind of guy.
     
  12. Green Hurricane

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    Like Mr E said, my boy Jerrod is going in the first round if he declares. May even be the 2nd QB off the board to be completely honest.
     
  13. WW85

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    I don't think it will happen, Berry is a top tier talent.

    Cleveland may go for Berry, if the new coach believes in Quinn.

    Detroit should draft Berry to team with Delmas, it would be a sick safety combo.

    St Louis.... will go QB.

    Tampa Bay...Suh is the best option.
     
  14. Attackett

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    I don't think it will happen either but I do believe in a draft like this that it could happen.

    Safety should not be a priority for teams like the Browns and Lions, no matter how good this safety prospect is.

    Cleveland needs to take a QB, a new CS would be wise to pair up with a new face of the franchise.

    Detroit cannot take a safety with a top 5 pick. They need to protect their franchise QB with the best LT prospect on the board.

    I don't know how likely the possibilty is but I do believe it is a possibility in this draft.
     
  15. DraftaFullBack

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    The Browns and Lions are two of the least talented teams in the league, you don't fix that by taking less talented players because they fill a bigger need, it's not like these teams are going to be competitive anytime soon.
     
  16. Attackett

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    Yes but you don't take a safety before you have your QB or T. Cleveland will be in position to get their franchise QB they cannot pass on him for a safety, they just can't.

    Detroit got their franchise QB last year, now they need to protect him. They very well might in position to get the best LT prospect in the draft. They just used a 2nd round pick on a saftey last year, now they are going to use a top 5 pick on another? You don't build a team that way.

    Nothing is ever set in stone with the draft in early December. Right now I see him more likely going in the 6-10 range with the possibility of him slipping slightly further then going in the top 5.
     
  17. DraftaFullBack

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    No, you don't build a team by reaching for needs. Right now the consensus top LT is Okung (whether you agree or not is another issue) who isn't in the same universe as Berry as a prospect. You can get a capable starting LT later in the draft, you're not going to rebuild your team with 1st round picks only.

    I'm not saying they have to take Berry if he's there, I'm saying passing on a player for a less talented one who fills a bigger need is stupid, especially when you're team is devoid of talent at almost every position.
     
  18. Mambo9

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    Hey, the more go in the top 10, the better for us. Are you guys absolutely sure Bradford will declare after the injury he had? I could see him in Cleveland if they don't have faith in Quinn (but I'd give him one more year).

    McCoy isn't going later than early 2nd rd IMO.
     
  19. DraftaFullBack

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    He already said he was going too.
     
  20. DisgruntledLionFan

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    And the most glaring example of this is taking Pettigrew over Oher. They had Pettigrew with the higher grade so they took him. It didn't go over well at the time, but I can't really blame the philosophy.

    They will take BPA on their board.

    Right now, I have them taking McCoy. Their DL is woefully undermanned and McCoy looks like he'll grade out well.
     

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