The game plan preached all offseason...

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  1. JetsYankeesThrylos

    JetsYankeesThrylos Active Member

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    ...and finally used has some promise, but I'm not excited about it just yet.

    I was thoroughly impressed with offense today but also disappointed. We played the football that we?ve been waiting for, for most of the season. Yet we still had trouble putting points on the board, especially with good field position and four interceptions.


    Sanchez looked pretty decent, but still seems a little shaken, a few times he scrambled out of the pocket a little early and he?s a rookie so he can be a little nervous, but it killed it for the drive.
    On two of those plays were he scrambled out of the pocket and threw it away and got sacked, he had receivers wide open, if he had the time to run out of the pocket without a hand touching him, he had the second and a half to plant and throw.

    I?m happy to say that if this conservative offense continues he?ll gain his confidence and look like Mark Sanchez from weeks 1-3.


    Turnovers are fucking ridiculous, I mean seriously, Keller was real greedy trying to fight for the TD, he should have went down. Turnovers have been discussed to no end with this team, so I?ll stop here with that.


    Edwards is never seen. He had 3 catches for 40 yards, WTF? Isn?t he fast? Why isn?t he going on some deep post routes, if he is having a hard time getting open, then I?m worried about having him on this team. I mean there should always be a guy open at some point, Keller is dangerous over the middle, Cotch is Cotch, Clowney has good speed, so I?m confused as to why Sanchez always takes a while to throw?

    Maybe it?s him and these things will stop with time, I?m assuming he?s only looking for a select few players and now is afraid to take risks, I wouldn?t blame him. The Panthers pass D is pretty good, so it could have been that as well.


    The defense looked really good today, they need their confidence back big time, and Eric Smith needs to be rotating with Rhodes more often.

    Overall this team showed some good things today and terrible things, the drives weren?t making it to the end zone, but one thing that was good was that they weren?t a slew of 3 and outs, and our defense stayed fresh.

    I have the hope that this offense will improve after this win, once Sanchez has his confidence back, he will make that extra play to keep the drive alive and we will score points, but I could also be dead wrong.

    Let?s stick to the game plan boys from here on out!! GO JETS!
     
  2. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Edwards gets double most of the game, that's why he can't be targeted all the time. Clowney has speed, but if you can't get separation it doesn't mean anything.

    Sanchez completed 77% of his passes today. Sanchez may look like he's taking a while to throw but routes have to develop and the Panthers are one of the top teams against the pass. There shouldn't always be a guy open, because football doesn't work that way. This isn't Peyton Manning and the Colts.
     
  3. EdBell

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    I thought the same thing. Run the ball. Control the clock. Play good situational defense. That's the formula.

    This game should have been 31-6.

    Oh well, it just makes you think how close we really are/were to being 8-3 instead of 5-6.
     
  4. CJLang

    CJLang Well-Known Member

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    Keep telling yourself that...
     
  5. teamgreen

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    I don't think it's that drastic of a change in offensive game plan-- we were already ran more on 1st down than any other team in the league. What was different today, that Allowed keeping to that offensive game plan (as with the Raiders game) was getting up early, and defense forcing turnovers. We've been playing from behind in recent weeks, with a defense that didn't prove it would hold. IMO that affected the play calling a lot and caused deviation from more conservative plans. This is not to say I've been as frustrated with some of the cutesy calls as anyone else, just pointing out that we were already fairly conservative and that conditions in this game were different.
     
  6. JetsYankeesThrylos

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    Yeah, but if Edwards has the double coverage, their will be a miss match some where and someone will be in good position to make a catch, I know Carolina has a good pass D, so I figured that was probably a reason.
     
  7. RunLeonRun

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    Edwards needs to hold the ball close to his chest and stop holding it with one hand where a new borns pinky finger could knock it loose!

    He stiff arms with his right arm and basically holds the ball in his palm sticks it in the opponents face and just dares them to knock it out.
     
  8. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    It amazes me how Jets fans find fault with something in every game. For weeks Sanchez has been raked over the coals for not protecting the ball. Today he ran and took sacks rather than force the ball and let the defense and running game win the game and now that is not good either.
     
  9. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    you can't please everyone.

    Sooner or later the consensus will be the offense is too boring and that Sanchez has his confidence back so he can start slinging the ball and seeing some plays being made again.

    This fan base doesn't know what it wants.
     
  10. teamgreen

    teamgreen Well-Known Member

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    I think the fan base knows what it wants, in terms of a super bowl victory, but doesn't know how to get it. And that's what makes it a fan base.

    If everyone knew how to get there from here, or even just agreed, this site wouldn't be here and fandom would be pretty damn boring.

    BTW-- this offense is too boring!
     
  11. Talisman

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    +1 on this. I almost choked several times today strictly because of his ball handling
     
  12. JetsYankeesThrylos

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    Sanchez played good today, but his confidence isn't back where it should be and I was saying if we stick with this style of offense he will slowly get back into a rhythm. Jones, Greene and Sanchez ran for 130+ yards combined, and Sanchez completed 77% of his passes as Mick said, and we scored 10 points, 7 of those points from an interception and gave us the ball on Carolinas 38. So I'm happy we got the W, and that the defense played wonderful. The offense did not perform well, they still turned the ball over 3 times.

    Thats why I'm happy and dissapointed, the offense showed flashes of what it could be, but it isn't there yet, and I'm hopeful they will start clicking with a run heavy, take the pressure off Sanchez type of offense.
     
  13. Jam.

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    Hang on.

    We scored 10 points on offense, but it could have easily been 20 points, for reasons that are out of Sanchez's control.

    Example 1 is the missed FG by Feely early in the game. Sanchez drives the team to FG position, but sadly does not come away with any points.

    Example 2 is the Shonn Greene fumble, which was also in field goal range. Another 3 points gone to waste.

    The last example is Keller's fumble on the 1 yard line. Sanchez makes a perfect throw to the goal line, but Dustin unfortunately fumbles the ball stretching for a TD. That is a sure passing TD that never came to be.

    So as you can see, the score could have easily been 27-6 or even 30-6, which looks much better than 17-6.

    All that matters is that we won, however.
     
  14. CBG

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    I think having Jake Delhome on the other team helped our game plan tremendously! The guy stinks! That said we played the run really well and kept Sanchez on a short leash.
    ps I was very happy to see that Sanchez was ok.
     
  15. johnnysd

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    I thought that our offensive game plan was completely brain dead, and we managed despite it. 80% of the time we run on 1st and 2nd down which puts Sanchez in a TERRIBLE situation to succeed. Then when we do throw it on 1st down we have a empty backfield. Our OC and the way they are managing Sanchez are completely ridiculous.
     
  16. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    There are two things I couldn't understand about every game up until this season:

    1. Why did we never allow all three backs to have significant carries before Leon was injured(excluding situations where Shonn Greene was inactive)? If Ryan wanted to run a similar offense to Baltimore then all three of them should have been getting a more evenly distributed share of the carries a la McGahee, Rice, and McClain.

    2. Why the fuck does Brian Schottenheimer have to start playing "Will he Fail?" on every passing down since week 3? It's a West Coast Offense so I really do not mind passing the ball on first down, but why does every passing play have to be out of single back shotgun or an empty backfield with two or three WRs occupying the same area of the field at the end of their routes? Where's the check-down to the HB out of the backfield, or the short route for the TE or slot WR? It is as if Schotty wants Sanchez to blow it so he can tell everyone that they should have traded up for Matt Ryan last year.
     
  17. Barry the Baptist

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    Maybe not 8-3 but if they execute this gameplan in the Buffalo and Jags game they win those games and are 7-4. IMO this gameplan doesn't help them in the 2 losses to Miami and the one to the Pats. It's the type of offense that people have been screaming for all year. Keep it simple in the pass game and let your defense win the game. Shit and you never know though but with the way the D played against the Saints with a more conservative offensive approach they may have won that game.
     
  18. winstonbiggs

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    I believe this is the first game we actually got a defensive TD and it happened at the start of the game. You couple that against a team with a terrible QB that wants to take the air out of the ball and the game plan is pretty simple. Hard to see that game plan working agianst a team that can actually run and pass and score points.

    Jake Delhomme would have played himself out of a job on almost every team in football the last couple of years. It was a good win, it's not a game plan that puts this team at 10 wins.
     
  19. ScotsJet

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    Jake Delhomme took the Panthers to the playoffs last season! It's not like he's historically terrible, he's just fallen off a cliff in the last few games of last year and obviously all of this year.

    I think part of the reason Sanchez seems hesitant in the pocket must be the time the plays take to develop. Long-term Schotty flaw.
     
  20. nyjunc

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    Don't forget we fumbled at the goalline and also deep in Car territory a 2nd time. The O was very good, a little too conservative at times but against vDelhomme who has completely lost it that is a good game plan.
     

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