Yeah, I think youre right. Im wacthing this bama game just for Cody. He doesnt seem to have that agression and burst that Jenkins has but hes a inch bigger with the same weight. He takes on two guys each time. He is a prototypical 3-4 NT and would create havoc playing NT alowing Jenkins to play the end position that the ravens moved Nata to. With each guy taking on 2 guys the blitzing would be insane. BUT, my only question is this. Lets say Rhodes is gone for a draft pick. Do you try to target Berry?
People watching Bama for Cody and comparing him to Jenkins will be very dissapointed. Cody is the perfect NT. he demands and occupies two blockers, gets a couple yards push off the snap and occasionally collapses the pocket. Jenkins has rare agility and explosion off the snap for his size which makes him a run clogger every play with the ability to pull rip and swim moves at the same skill level of a DE. the pass rush is the added bonus of Jenkins being top 5 interior DL in the league. we need a NT and Cody fits the bill. as far as other players Berry is a top 10 pick, Haden will go to a bottom 10 team with a horrid pass defense. as Mr.E mentioned, Aside from Cody i think the player who could have the biggest impact is Carlos Dunlap. the guy is a freak of nature size to speed ratio, and hes just not big and fast the guy plays foaming at the mouth and finishes plays. I'm afraid one of these more recent 3-4 transition teams before us will snatch him up though. but Cody and Dunlap would be the best picks IMO. if theyre there is another story. theres some good depth this yr on OL i think Rex ensures a top starter on D in the first rd.
I'd be fine with Cody. I'm not sure he's worthy of a Top-15 pick though. You really think Jerry Hughes will only be a mid-second round pick? He has been insanely productive and has only played DE since his Freshmen year. He's not great against the run which will push him back, but he's arguably the best pass rusher in the Draft. I would probably have some type of seizure if we got Cody in the 1st and Hughes in the 2nd. What do you think about Taylor Mays? Which Rhodes benched and in the doghouse, Safety is looking like a legit possibility. I don't love Mays like I used do (most don't anymore), but at what point does he become underrated? I would be cool with Mays if we're picking in the 12-15 range.
There's no way in hell that this team CAN trade up for Eric Berry. We have to bring as many players are possible through this draft. Look, I know Berry is one of the best safety prospects to come out in years, but 2010's draft is loaded at safety. We'll be able to find a damn talented safety outside of the first. Two of these three will fall: North Carolina's Deunta Williams, Clemson's DeAndre McDaniel and Georgia Tech's Morgan Burnett.
Jerry Hughes plays in a non-Big Six conference and lines up against lightweight tackles. He's going to be productive. You're right, he's not great against the run because he lacks power and strength to fight through blocks. I could see him being a lot like Indy's Robert Mathis - a situational pass rusher...in the 4-3. Hughes is arguably the best pass rusher in the draft? I like Eric Norwood, Everson Griffen, Von Miller, Sergio Kindle, Greg Hardy, and Derrick Morgan are all higher on my list. Von Miller is a Terrell Suggs clone - if you want to watch a master pass rusher, check this guy out. Terrence Cody is the best nose tackle available in the draft. He's worth a top 5 pick if a team desperately needs a NT. Tennessee's Dan Williams is an interesting nose tackle prospect. By the end of the season, Williams will probably be a first round nose tackle prospect. The guy's been flat out dominant. He's officially surpassed Boo Robinson as #2 on my NT rankings. (I'm off to the Clemson/Carolina game - Go COCKS!)
I think a lot will depend on the FA market in an uncapped year. If we cut Rhodes and Gholston we will save some money( You need a capologist to figure out the dead money in this equation). I would go with Berry, because looking at the Draft and FA's, I don't think there is another player at his talent level that will be near us at that draft position. There will be a few. Real good 3-4 unrestricted FAs available,but impact safety? None. Remember this D is heavily reliant on the safety position. I believe it was named after one. There will not be a Jenkins or Ngata at 15. Half the league runs a 3-4 now.
There is a 0 percent chance Berry will be available when we pick unless we lose the rest of our games, You can't just draft him because you want too
Really. 20008- first Safety taken- Kenny Phillips #31 2005- No Safety taken in first round. 2003- First taken Troy Palamalu #16 2002- First taken Riy Williams #8, Second taen Ed Reed#24 Any other questions?
I heard the same thing about Sean Taylor. He went 5th. Berry will not grade out higher than Taylor did. Taylor graded off the charts. Plus everyone is thinking the same thing, a lot of value in the first round I'll take one later. Safety is not a high pay position in the NFL. Coaches and GM's do not like to risk top ten money on a rookie safety. (Unless your Dan Snyder who has done it twice, because he is an idiot)
DeAndre McDaniel is staying for his senior year and won't be in the 2010 draft -- he wants to set a good example for his little brother and sister and wants to graduate. He'll be a 1st round pick in 2011. A good safety that will be available after the first two rounds is Robert Johnson from Utah. 6'2, 200 lbs, 4.45 40 speed and does a great job covering deep. He has 62 tackles, 4 TFL, 5 INTs (1 TD), 3 PBUs, 1 FF, and 2 FR (1 TD) on the season. He's been moving up draft boards, but at the end of the day I think he'll be a 3rd-4th round pick. Can you explain why you like Carlos Dunlap as a 3-4 DE? He is crap against the run, I just see him getting blown off the ball if a team tried him as a 3-4 DE and he is very inconsistent in his effort. I'd rather get several prospects for our 3-4 defensive front than Dunlap in the first round -- Cody, Wootton, Odrick. A guy like OSU's Cameron Heyward would make for a better 3-4 DE than Carlos Dunlap. Dunlap has freakish athletic ability, but his best fit is going to be in a 4-3 DE putting his hand in the ground. If you stick him in a 3-4 I'm afraid he will have the same experience as Glenn Dorsey -- different position change but still a terrible scheme fit. One guy to keep your eye on will be Phil Taylor from Baylor. He's a mammoth DT (6'4, 355 lbs) and he is more athletic than Terrance Cody, at least I think so. If he declares early he could be a mid-round pick, and I'd rather take him with a 4th than Cody with a 1st so we can focus our 1st on another position of need, such as an OT, or a different defensive position. He is a stud 3-4 NT prospect, one of the few in the college game.
Jesus...I was having a nice Thanksgiving break. Good meal on Thursday, my birthday was yesterday, and Carolina kicked the shit out Clemson today. Why'd you have to come back? 1. How do you know DeAndre McDaniel will stay in school? McDaniel's stock has risen more than any defensive back in the country this year. The dude's a major ballhawk. If he gets a first round grade, which he most likely will, he'd be stupid to not come out. Dabo Swinney has said time and time again that he would like his players to graduate, but if they have a chance to make a lot of money and help out their families, then he's all for them taking the next step. All of these safeties are better prospects than Utah's Robert Johnson: Deunta Williams, Morgan Burnett, Darrell Stuckey, Nate Allen, Reshad Jones, Myron Lewis, Justin Woodall, and Kurt Coleman. 2. Actually, Carlos Dunlap is playing on a 3 man line as I'm typing this and he's completely dominating against Florida State. There'd be no transition at all. How in the hell can you think he sucks against the run? He's one of the best gap-filling defensive linemen that I've seen in a long time. You can't expect maximum effort from a 290 player for an entire game - it's too much to ask for. In a rotation, Carlos Dunlap would be a dominant force agains the run and pass. I like Cameron Heyward a lot too, but he's not on the same level as Dunlap. Corey Wootton has been very inconsisten this season and he'd be making a transition. Jared Odrick would be a nice player to draft in the later rounds (3rd through 4th). 3. I don't think Phil Taylor is more athletic than Mount Cody. He may seem that way to you, but remember he's playing against weaker competition in the Big 12. Cody is dominant in the best conference in the world. He's a nice prospect, especially since he's shown he can play and be successful as a 3-4 nose, but there's better talent available. Mount Cody and Tennessee's Dan Williams are much better prospects. I don't really know what direction this team will go in on draft day, I just want to see more picks acquired. I wouldn't mind seeing the Jets take an offensive tackle, but if Mount Cody is there, it's a no brainer. We've all seen how pitiful the defense is without a real nose tackle.
Mr. E would you rather spend a mid round pick on Phil Taylor so we can fill another need on the 1st round pick if Cody isn't there? Happy Birthday by the way.
Thanks man...next time we play each other in Madden you should let me win. If Cody gets taken before our pick, I'd really like to see Tannenbaum trade down into the back end of the first. That way, the team could acquire more picks in a draft that has the potential to be so fucking deep. Here are some possibilities later in the first: NT Dan Williams, Tennessee OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State. DE Marvin Austin, North Carolina DE Allen Bailey, Miami OLB Eric Norwood, South Carolina OL Anthony Davis, Rutgers OG Mike Iupati, Idaho WR Damian Williams, USC WR Dez Bryant, OK State ILB Brandon Spikes, Florida
You didn't let me win for my birthday, haha. Assuming we have the #15 pick, what kind of value should we get for trading back to the late 20's?
If the Jets trade from 15 into the 20s, we should be able to get either a couple of later picks (4th and a 6th) or a 3rd rounder. Last year, a lot of teams made minor trade backs - Cleveland traded back twice (after they traded with us): 17 to 19 - the Browns picked up Tampa's 5th rounder, and they only moved back two spots. and again... 19 to 21 - the Browns picked up Philly's 5th rounder, and they only moved back two more spots. Hopefully there will be a team that's desperate to move ahead of someone.
My hope is that E. Smith becomes a good fit for Rex's D and Safety is a non issue. If this is the case I would draft by need and available talent in this order. 1)DT(5 technique or 0 technique, we need both. 5 may be a more pressing need if Jenkins is OK. Ellis is old, other guys are average) 2)CB( the Sheppard trade didn't work out, time to face facts. Revis is going to be up for a HUGE contract and we'll need both a possible replacement and leverage) 3) OT(Might be a value pick here, all good DT's and Haden might be gone. Half the league runs the 3-4 and needs a 0 or 5. Just look at KC's pick of yson Jackson last year. Brick's contract is just about up and or RT is old and replaceable. Protecting Sanchez has to be a priority)
