I'm not calling for Ryan to be fired...I'm calling for him to fix the defense. I know they're in trouble because Jenkins is gone and Tannenbaum has left him without a suitable understudy. But even when Jenkins was here...the team showed a stunning lack of backbone for a team that talked so tough. The Jets were gang-raped in Miami. The Dolphins bitchslapped them up and down the field that night, and then Jacksonville did the same thing on Sunday on the last drive. Enough talking... Stop worrying about your public face and fix this friggin defense. Sanchez has done a good job as a rookie. He's done enough for them to win most of these games. Where the team has really been hurt is defensive failures, special teams failures, and coaching failures. I know he's a rookie coach, but he's been in the league for years right? Why is that we all know when to call a timeout and he doesn't? When you've been in the NFL for 10 years and around it your whole life, there are no excuses for not understanding the basics of clock management. I don't want to hear another word from Ryan...see another Tweet from one of his players...I want results. I want a statement win. This week. Find a way. Find a way to fix it.
There is ABSOLUTLEY NO SHOT IN HELL, that Woody goes looking for another HC at this point.... Philosophically, Rex is what Woody wants... Year 1 with ANY Head Coach is a feeling out process.. Year 2 is the REAL DEAL - Cut some wood, get more of your guys in there, have a QB with some experience and THEN, if you are in a boat like we're talking now, you can pull out this post and still be out on a limb.. But, for this year, not a shot... We're dealing without th ebest player on Defense and the best playmaker on offense... He'll need another NT for sure. Rex will be here a while and Woody should probably leave him in place for the next 8 years and just write checks... Give this guy time... Like The Steelers and Titans do...
No, but it's not like we're 1-8 losing every game by 20+. Our 5 losses are by a combined 28 points, and if you don't include the 14 pt Saints loss the other 4 are by a combined 14. It's alarming that we keep losing these close games but there's no need to really hit the panic button and start even entertaining the idea of a new head coach.
Jon Gruden would be the kind of hire you could build a franchise around. You'd have to let him do both jobs though because he has issues dealing with upper management when he thinks they are wrong. That's the echoes of having to deal with Al Davis in his first big job. I'd be thrilled if the Jets actually went out and hired a person who had head coached before as their next choice. They've hired 3 assistants in a row and all 3 have had major growing pains, 2 of which caused them to fail.
I Owned the Mountain Top screaming about Bradway early on.... This isn't that at all... This isn't some part time GM commuting every other day to the office... This isn't trading 2 1st round picks in a draft loaded with DT's.... There's a fine line between staying healthy and making a run at it and not.. And this, like most teams, needs to stay healthy... IF HEALTHY, I hoped this team could win 9 games... I also said that there was no way we could lose Jenkins OR Leon... Both are gone... Bottom line - YEAR 1 With a new HC is a rebuilding year no matter what talent is present - If you have a rookie QB, there's no doubt. If you have a rookie HC, times by 10.. If you lose you best player on boith sides of the ball then just sit back and relax and watch the QB develop cuz the offseason moves and draft is going to play the next huge role... My goals going into the season were stated as 1) See if Sanchez is an NFL QB (and I wouldn't have drafted him personally).,....2) Develop a defense.... IMO, this team is doing that and in the end, next year this defense should develop - add some pieces and have a QB that's able to do a lot more next season...
The Steelers never have to give the guy time. The last coach they had who failed was Chuck Noll because he was getting old and had gotten complacent. Cowher and Tomlin both won immediately. The Titans have hired one coach in the last 15 years and they did so at the bottom of a huge trough. They went 2-14 the year before and he immediately got them to 7-9 and stabilized a franchise in freefall. His QB the first year was a 30 year old journeyman and as soon as he found his real QB he brought the franchise back up to par. You can't compare what the Jets have done over the last decade to what a stable NFL franchise does because they're just not stable.
Rex is learning how to sit in the big chair now and it barely fits. He's on a learning curve just like Sanchez and its showing. Do I think he'll have a Mora-like meltdown at some point this year or next? Perhaps as he, just like his young QB, is far too emotional. I'm not saying be a Manginibot, but the crying thing, just like begging fans to be loud, just doesn't cut it. Rex perhaps is at his best during the good times but adversity is something any Jet HC will either learn to deal with or be devoured by it. His credibility is taking hits as people see more Foghorn than Prophet in his words. I also think the talent he's working with just might be overrated as we have guys with great resumes but don't know how to win. Preventing a complete collapse is job 1 for Ryan closing out '09. If he can't stop freefall, then it will be a really bloody offseason as it should be given that outcome.
You need to understand something here. If I thought the Jets were going to win 7 to 9 games this year I wouldn't be complaining at all. For all the high hopes after the fast start, which were unrealistic but hey, I'm an optimist at heart, the fact is that pretty much everybody who follows the Jets closely and knows what the deal is were thinking 7 to 9 wins at the start of the season. The reason I'm upset at this point is I see a team in freefall, one that might well bottom out as one of the periodic lousy finishes that the Jets produce and unfortunately this is one of the years when if we have to start over it will have a major impact on my experience as a Jets fan for the rest of my life. We finally have a QB who looks like he might really be worth something but the talent around him is dropping out or likely to drop out fairly quickly over the next season or three. Jones is going to go. He's 32 next year. Washington may come back good or he may not. Bruce Harper really never recovered when the injuries set in. The offensive line has at least two major gaps likely to occur in Faneca and Woody and Moore is just a journeyman. The entire defensive line is questionable at this point and to be honest about it the linebackers are over-rated. Calvin Pace comes back and the Jets defense immediately starts to look shaky? Come on, that's ridiculous. On the defensive side the Jets are starting to feel like the '94 squad. A great linebacker in Mo Lewis (David Harris) and a great cornerback in Aaron Glenn (Darrelle Revis) and a bunch of other guys who cannot keep it together. Opportunities like a young QB don't come along very often. I'm worried we've done it in reverse. We've got the QB and now we're turning into the 1989 Cowboys around him.
I dont think Rex really asks for much, hes an emotional coach thats something we have to deal with, he wants us to be a loud stadium get pumped up, it's not like hes unraveling, things haven't gone completely his way and shit happens, he will continue to learn, I have a feeling this off season is when he really puts this coaching thing in perspective and gets it together and becomes even more motivated, he cares about the franchise and wants to succeed and i know he has the will to do so, all these loses were so heartbreaking it has to hurt you can't expect him to be calm about it, that's not a coach I want and i'm sure you agree
Rex has the deer in headlights look at the end of games. I never see him engaging the players or getting in someones face. I thought we were done with the sit and stare HC when Mangini left.
So as I read it .... We got owned by the Dolfags in 1 game and the Jags owned us on 1 drive .... I'm down for that, 'cause it means we were pretty damn good for the other 7 3/4 games .... Before the Jags game we had the #2 defense in the NFL ... We gave up around 300 yds in that game if I remember what I read ... So we are probably still in the top 3 in the league in defense .... Yup we sure do have to fix that defense .... It's horrible .... Bet there are like 28+ teams that wish that thier defense was as bad as ours ...
He's paying the price for talking the talk and not walking the walk--that's it, that's all there is. If he never said anything, I don't think he'd be in any crisis mode. Quite frankly, I did not expect the defense to be very good this year based on the fact that Tannenbaum did not adequately address the defensive line. I know the GM and coach believed that the pass rush could come from Scott and the linebackers, but that's not really how it works. Pressure has to start with the front line. If you're relying on your 2nd line to hurry the QB, there's a fundamental flaw in your defense that can and will be exposed. And it has been. The defense was new enough to confuse the Texans and a still nervous and Welker-less Brady, but once people got film on it, the fundamental flaws were exposed. And then we lost our center push with Jenkins. This "D" is exactly what I thought it would. I was hoping I was wrong and that the coach knew something I didn't.
Just in case anyone else was wondering about the topic, and I didn't see it posted anywhere in the thread, from profootballtalk.com(http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/17/rex-ryan-sheds-tears-in-team-meeting/): According to Mark Cannizzaro of the New York Post, Ryan cried during a Monday morning team meeting following Sunday's loss to the Jaguars. "He didn't bash us at all; he was just very emotional . . . he was crying," tackle Damien Woody told Cannizzaro. "Rex believes in our team so much I can't even put it into words and it would be a shame if we didn't capitalize on our opportunity." "I was a little upset to see him that way," cornerback Darrelle Revis added. "I'm upset for the same reasons he's upset. . . . I haven't been a part of a meeting where a coach cried like that. . . . In the future, I hope there are more tears of joy than the one this morning." "He was talking about the situation -- this upcoming game with New England and how we're still there, how we still have a pulse," Woody explained. "He said it's all about us, that nobody believes in us and that we are the only ones who believe we can get things done. "He said, 'I believe in you; I believe you get can get this thing done,' and that's when he really got emotional. . . . "He wants guys to understand how good we can be if we just do the little things. It all goes back to his belief in this team. That's why he was so emotional. He was crying because he believes in our team so much he sees the opportunity and it would be a shame if we didn't capitalize on our opportunity."
I have absolutely no problem with any of that. The guy obviously is very passionate about this team and organization. He believes in his players and wants greatness. That is the type of football coach I want, someone that believes in this team and wants to win as much as we fans do. Personally, I believe if this team sticks with Ryan, we will get to where we want to be.
I am not a JETS fan as you can tell by my avatar. However your guy Tanny has done a decent job recently. You guys have some really good young talent on your team. Sanchez and Shonn Greene are going to be good players for you guys. Tanny can only sign them. If they underperform that's the coaches job. I hope Woody is stupid enough to fire Tanny and Ryan without giving them another couple of seasons to gel. If Ryan is given a couple of seasons I think they can make some respectable playoff runs. Of course I hope that doesn't happen.
Just curious and not that it matters but....I'm at work without headphones...how bad is Beningo ripping Ryan for the crying?
The last coach that put as much of himself into this team as Rex Ryan appears to be doing in terms of an emotional investment and being a huge fan was Walt Michaels. He got the team very close but in the end the emotional wrapup with the team did him in and he self-destructed. I hope Ryan can keep some perspective when he looks at things. The crying is natural, given Ryan's obvious emotional makeup, but it reflects frustration at this point more than anything else and his team will pick up on that and it won't help them. Sometimes you need to be cool and together when the team is floundering and I don't know if Ryan can do that. Michaels, BTW, was a tough cookie in front of his team. He went overboard in private sometimes about the frustrations of coaching in NY and the favoritism that he thought the NFL extended to some teams but he kept it together in front of the team.
I'm not saying this to be an ass or anything, but maybe Rex is a little bi-polar? A lot of people are and they don't even realize it. It runs in my mother's side of the family, so I'm not saying that to make fun, but it could legitimately be that. I'm sure growing up in the Ryan household wasn't all cakes and fairy tales...(well, maybe cakes...)
