Code: Players Comp Att Pct. Yds TD INT W-L Rate Chad Pennington ('02) 168 232 72.4 1,836 13 4 5-3 106.9 Ray Lucas ('99) 146 246 59.3 1,467 14 4 5-3 89.1 Ken O'Brien ('84, '85) 150 260 57.7 1,773 8 8 3-5 76.0 Brooks Bollinger ('05) 116 206 56.3 1,205 5 6 1-7 69.3 Joe Namath* ('65) 122 246 50.0 1,709 13 13 2-5-1 68.0 Mark Sanchez* ('09) 114 213 53.5 1,443 8 10 4-4 67.9 Kellen Clemens ('07) 120 228 52.6 1,427 5 8 3-5 64.7 Browning Nagle ('92) 116 235 49.4 1,408 5 8 2-6 61.1 Matt Robinson* ('77, '78) 69 155 44.5 1,110 6 8 4-4 60.4 Richard Todd* ('76, '77) 56 136 41.2 779 3 11 2-6 33.9 Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/11/07/2009-11-07_mark_sanchez_dvd_ryan.html#ixzz0WPFHVqdT Just for fun, here are other Jet rookie QBs through their first 8 starts
For what it's worth: In our 4 wins: 58/99 749 yds 5 TD 2 INT 90.8 Passer rating In our 4 losses: 56/115 694 yds 3 TD 8 INT 47.5 Passer rating
Ok, it's been a couple of years and I think it's safe to say that the playbook wasn't really the issue. Even with Brett Favre here last year we were a predominantly short-passing offense unless it was absolutely necessary that we needed to throw it deep. We still dink and dunk no matter who the QB is, so I really don't think the playbook was ever really the issue. It was more the playcalling, which it still is. Ok, back to the Sanchez/Clemens debate :smile:
8 of those INts came in 2 of the lsses, the 2 MIami losses he played more than well enough to win but our D gave it up the first game and STs the 2nd game.
I actually think Ainge can be just as a good a back-up as Clemens, if not better. That is why we should send Clemens walking after the end of this year or try and package him in a trade or get a pick for him that is not returned for a TD.
I don't care who our backup is. I'd rather a veteran that can help with the growth of Sanchez, but other than that it can be whoever you want. Maybe bring in Garcia next year, apparently him and Mark are already talking. I think Garcia reached out to Mark because of their similar heritage. Besides all that it would be great having him help guide Mark along....
I don't know how you can say the playbook was not a factor. And I disagree that the fact that an offense still predominantly throws short passes in and of itself means the playbook is the same. But it is indisputable the playbook used in 07 was developed for Chad, not Clemens. Are we to conclude there is no point in developing a playbook that is tailored to the particular talents of one Qb compared to another?!? That one Qb using a playbook developed for another might be hindered, even at least to some extent? To say it is "not a factor" and has been proven to be such has not, in my opinion, been established by any means, historical or otherwise.
They changed the playbook in a matter of weeks when we got Favre to tailor it to formations that he was familiar with, yet the playcalls were all short passes. Schotty had continued to rely on the short passing game regardless of who has been behind center. That can not be disputed. Get over "Clemens was playing with Chad's playbook", it's just true. It doesn't matter who has been back there, we still run a lot of short routes.
chad wasn't a rookie, but damn his numbers are off the charts. fucking shoulder injuries killed our last chance at a franchise qb. please let sanchez stay healthy.
For comparison, Tom Brady's first 8 starts: 5-3 record, 154/238 (64.7%) 12TD 7INT 1565 yards QB Rating 87.95 Chad was way better. :lol:
Tom's first year was excellent. He was 1 for 3 with his pass attempts, for 6 yards. QB rating of 42.4
First of all, it was NOT all short routes with Favre. And second even if it were that does not in itself mean it was the same playbook. Plus you contradict yourself referencing the fact that Favre only had a matter of weeks from when he was signed to when the seaon opened. The point is the playbook and the personnel it was designed for IS a factor, and there is no way you can say it has been somehow proven otherwise.
It HAS been proven otherwise. Our OC continues to run, and will always continue to run, a short-passing offense because that is what he believes in. That is what he likes. It doesn't matter who the QB is, he likes to call shorter passes unless it's absolutely necessary that we throw it deeper, like in a two minute drill. Pennington has been gone for two seasons and he still calls plays where the primary receiver is less than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. I guess we're still running the playbook that was designed for Pennington because the passing offense looks exactly the same as it did last year even with Favre at the helm. Yes, we throw it deep on occasion but the offense relies on shorter passes. It's what Schotty believes in. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just what he believes in. That's why I don't buy the excuse that Clemens was running Pennington's offense. He tailored it to Favre last year and it was still considered a short-passing offense.
Please tell me that all of you are kidding. Sanchez has been pampered straight out of highschool. He was a God at USC and was never forced to deal with adversity the way Clemens has. There is a reason Dirty can't come from behind to win- he doesn't have the experience to do it. USC has rheighed as the champs of the Pac-10 and never had any real competition. In the preseason Dirty got to play with the first string guys who made him look good. Who did Clemens have to hit in the open field? Our 3rd and 4th wideouts? Clemens has always played 2nd fiddle at qb and never had a real chance to start. You have to throw out his experience when he was tossed in after Chad's rotator cuff because he had no protection what-so-ever. If dirty would have been in the same situation he also would have been screwed. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Here are the facts- 8td's 10 int's. When it counts the pampered guy from Cali can't get it done because he has no idea how to win ugly. At least give Clemens a REAL chance, because as of yet he has not had one person around him to cover for his ass the way Dirty has. (Hows that for a first post?)
Pretty shitty and dumb. I don't have to explain why if anyone wastes their time in reading this they'll know- Are you Kellen's Mom or something??
He hasn't, but that's no reflection on Sanchez. For whatever reason, 75% of posters here have a bug up their ass about Clemens. Clearly you've got a bug up your ass about Sanchez, which is equally unwarranted.
I'm with you. For a first post it was godawful and shows an extreme lack of knowledge. I'll take the under one year till the account is proven as a troll, old poster comming back, or a combination of both.
