What I meant was comparing those stats are ridiculous. They were in completely different situations. I never said Clemens was better at all, but if you inserted Sanchez into Clemens' situation at the time, he would have been a flop probably too.
Sanchez wouldn't be having the games he's having this season but he'd surely still look better than Clemens with the 07 line. clemens is outright a shitty QB.
Wow, that is AWESOME coaching by Rex. Mangini would probably just make him run penalty laps for every INT he's thrown
You're out of your mind here. Sanchez is a true rookie who has played most of the season with fewer options to throw too than Clemens had. He's had a turnstile at LG just like Clemens did. The only comparison that you make that is valid is that Clemens team had already given up by the time he was reinserted in the lineup after the Mangini brainfart that kept him from staying in after the Baltimore game. What is true is that both of them had the offensive coordinator interfering in the development process by making the game much more complicated than it needed to be during their first 8 starts. Drew Brees had a terrible second season that looked just like what Clemens and Sanchez have done so far. The QB coach on that team who was responsible for implementing the offense that Norv Turner had installed the previous year before departing for Miami was Brian Schottenheimer. Bree stumbled badly out of the gate with Turner no longer in the building and was replaced after week 11 with a 2-9 record, 11 TD's, 15 Int's and a 67.0 rating. Sound familiar? Brian Schottenheimer can't develop young QB's. Even given Drew Brees he managed to stumble around so much that the Chargers wound up drafting ANOTHER QB in the top 5 within a couple of years and letting Brees go. Sound familiar? I'm just tired of watching this crap week after week. Chad Pennington, Kellen Clemens and Brett Favre all had about as bad a line as they were capable of under Schotty. Now we have to watch him screwup Sanchez also?
Giving the edge to Clemens might be out of my mind, I admit that, but it was a good point about the different situations. It is stupid to compare their stats. EDIT: I am glad other people hate Schotty like I do. I am still amazed when his name comes up in head coaching talk. He should be fired.
Great, thanks for mentioning KC and stirring up the mob of reactionaries, Steve. I love that idea by Rex. People say he's Buddy Jr? Fuck that. Buddy probably didn't even know he had a QB.
I agree with you for the most part, especially your bottom line, but I don't know how you can say the QB cost us two games, which he clearly did, and say he is NOT holding us back. I'd say the difference between 6-2, 5-3, and 4-4 is holding us back a little bit. But I'm still happy with the work he's done so far. He'll be fine.
He's been good enough to win 6 of 8, our D cost us one game and our STs cost another. 6 good games out of 8 is pretty damn good for a rookie. If it was all on the play of the QB we'd be 6-2 but it's not all him.
Here are the stats... In 10 games in 2007, Kellen had 1529 yards, 52% comp., 5 TDs, 10 Ints, and 1 rushing TD with a QB rating of 60.9 In the 8 games in 2009, Sanchez has 1443 yds, 53.3 %, 8 TDs, 10 Ints, and THREE rushing TDs with a QB rating of 67.6. Sanchez's 3 rushing TDs could have very easily been two or three passing TDs had he opted to pass. Not close enough to call it an edge...
PPG that each QB led his O to: Sanchez: 22.1 Clemens: 17 i'd have to check the #s but I think that 22.1 is close to what our O put up last year(minus the D/Sts TDs)
can we now stop with the stats? Sanchez has shown playmaking ability, Clemens has shown the ability to feel the rush like JaMarcus Russell.
Is there someone here actually arguing that Kellen is a better option then Mark? Kellen should be happy he has the best job in all of sports. Backup QB, make great money to have the best seats in the house. Kellen is destined for this role and I think he's embraced it very well. Every once and a while he gets to play too, they should have a auction for that someday. Honorary Backup QB.
Coles was hurt most of the time Clemens was the Qb. The LG was a combo of Bender and Clarke. Clemens also had to step in without practicing as the starter in the off season and with a play book designed for Chad Pennington. And of course one of those L's was determined in the first pass play when the OL could not hold off NE's bull rush that took him out of the rest of the game. Fair is fair, after all.
I was hesitant to post the stats because I didn't want this to turn into a Clemens v. Sanchez thread. Clearly, Sanchez has shown much more promise on the field than Clemens did during those 8 games. I just thought it was pretty crazy because the stats are almost identical. Personally, I fucking hate stats, at least in football. I cannot stand when people say stuff like "Player A is better than Player B because he caught 1 more TD pass lass season"
its funny how the stats dont matter when they dont overwhelmingly support your position. ill have to remember that the next time someone tries to use stats to their own advantage. it is interesting and i wouldnt have realized the stats were that close, bottom line is that snatchez is the qb and the other guy will probably never be unless there is an injury. but it really is amazing how everyone goes and twists and turns everything they read into in order to support their position. it wasnt enough to say... hmm those are close but snatchez still has better stats, which if you read them he does. no that wasnt good enough.
^ Considering we both know the story with the two QBs in question its easier to make the argument saying stats don't matter. Its not like we are comparing Sanchez to Stafford, when this whole board doesn't watch Stafford play every snap. We've all seen Clemens play - its nothing inspiring.
