Ransom, Aceves, Melancon, Matsui, Wang, Anthony Clagget, Edwar Ramirez and Ramiro Pena are all members of the 40man roster who are added to this statistic who were not homegrown, in the traditional sense(drafted/originally signed/initially developed by the Yankees). On the 25 man, you lose Ransom, Aceves and Matsui. In reality, you're down to 44%, which is still good, but not nearly as impressive as the skewed 56% number was.
How so? Ransom was with Giants and Astros in the "Show" before he signed a Yankee deal. Aceves was a professional in the Mexican Leagues. Matsui was a professional in the Japan Leagues.
This year, they weren't because the Yanks had over $80M come off the books after last season. At some point, yes, the salary paid one player affects what can be offered to others. And the effect is cumulative. Just because a big contract to A-Rod didn't prevent a big contract to Sabathia, which didn't prevent a big contract to Burnett or Teixeira doesn't mean that they can spend like that with no end. And in the above case, all of the money doled out was given to players in their prime. (Except the A-Rod deal, but I'm not really a big fan of that contract. Like the player now, but there's a more than decent chance they'll be eating a lot of money on the back end of that one.) So giving a $20M AAV contract for more than 3 years to a SS about to enter his age 37 season is not my idea of a great move. Stop. Just stop. Please. For the love of Xenu. I've never said they have "no effect" on the game. If you're going to refute my arguments, at least try to refute shit I've, you know, actually said. Sheesh. So you'd like to have Teixeira, Sabathia, Burnett, A-Rod, Mauer, AND Jeter all locked up into their late thirties and (and early forties)? That's likely $130M right there.
How so? Wouldn't you be able to apply the same logic to the rest of those teams? Also -- I'll give you that you can't really claim Matsui as a "homegrown" player, but Aceves certainly was homegrown. After fluctuating in the Mexican league, he received valuable instruction time in AA where Nardi taught him their version of the change and fixed his mechanics to give him a few ticks on his fastball. Fact is, if this doesn't happen he floats in relative obscurity in a dead end league.
Aceves and Wang may not have been drafted, but they were brought throught our minor leagues, thats a homegrown player to me
Most of that is fair enough. In the end though, I want them to open the checkbook for Jeter, have a Steinbrenner sign the bottom, and let Jeter fill in the rest. I don't even care if it ruins the team. Derek Jeter is the only player I could ever honestly say that about in this era. I've been up and down on the guy throughout his career, but the fact is, he is one of the most consistent ballplayers of this era. His numbers are better than he gets credit for. He holds records you don't even hear publicized, but are significant. If I were ever going to say there were such thing as a "True Yankee," Derek Jeter would be my example. Honestly, I didn't mean that to sound like you took it. If we were having a face-to-face conversation, I'd have given you a nudge with my elbow and raised my eyebrows with a grin. I'm not trying to argue with you now man. We're champions, and there's no reason not to just enjoy it. :beer: No, I wouldn't like to have CC or Burnett locked up as long as they are. The rest, yeah, I would. Alex is going to become the home run king. If Jeter gets a long enough contract he could become the hits king. Teixeira is going to have a long career with a lot of offensive prowess. Mauer will eventually age, but how do you not bring in Joe Mauer by any means necessary?
I do care. And don't get me wrong. It's not that I don't want Jeter on the team, or can even picture him playing elsewhere... it's just that I don't want to see the Yanks offer him a 5-6 year big money deal at that age. As good as he might be, that's Kevin Brown redux. In 2010, if he has another season like the one he just had, I have no problem offering 2 years at $16-18M, and doing it again in 2013 and 2015 for as long as he wants to or can play. I just don't want to see 5/$100M. Signing 37 year old shortstops to long contracts is a good way to start.
That's fine, I understand you care. Like I said, I don't. I want to reward the guy for his service. I'd willingly give him in the neighborhood of 5/$100M. I'd prefer not to, and I don't know if he can even legitimately ask that much, but I'd give it to him if he demanded it. Personally, I think $18M per year is the right number, over the course of 6 years. On an 8 year deal, I'd say $16M per is fair. He's not 37, he turned 35 in June.
Does Derek Jeter even need to negotiate? He gets what he wants and that's the end of it, the FO won't berniewilliams, Derek Jeter.
Lincecum signed a 1 year, $650,000 (!) contract before the season. He's arbitration eligible. I don't expect SF will allow him to become free agent eligible for a looong time. They'll lock him up long-term. When did he come up? 2007?
You don't think the $189 million (back loaded on a ten year contract) that they've paid the guy over the past ten years is reward enough? He's been amply rewarded. Some (not necessarily me) would argue that he's already overpaid. Or, at the very most, that he was worth the money in terms of his current contract, which ensured his services for the bulk of his peak years (age 27-36). Aging middle infielders should not get long contracts with pay bumps. Paying for past performance -- while occasionally unavoidable to some degree -- is not a good strategy. He'll be 36 next year (which is covered under the current contract). The first year of any new contract will be his age 37 season. You want to give him EIGHT more years? So he'll be patrolling SS in a walker at the age of 45?! That's flat out insanity. Anything more than a three year deal (or extension) has him signed into his forties. It's very likely that we're going to see diminished performance from Jeter in the next few years. Perhaps significantly so. Possibly as soon as next year. Very, very rare is the player who will continue to put up peak performance numbers into his late thirties and forties.
The league needs a salary cap...that way the Yanks and Red Sox can cease to "buy" their championships....and earn them like other teams.
Dumbest argument in sports. Because other teams don't want to spend the same amount of money, the Yankees and Red Sox shouldn't. I didn't realize it was up to the competitors to keep it fair. Next thing is the Yankees shouldn't have any lefties in their lineup because Kansas City can't afford to have a good lefty pitcher.
Save this crap for the Twins owner and other teams...The guy who owns the Twins is the richest owner in baseball...
