Br4dw4y, that's a great writeup, and like NDmick, it's a good enough argument to sway my opinion more. However, I still contend that BS is a very good OC, and an offensive genius. Zach, while making his case that Schotty doesn't have a good system, actually does the opposite. It's a great system, when he puts it in perspective regarding what it actually is. The problem is personnel. Thomas Jones is great. I've been a big supporter of his all along (even with my recent rant about him, he's still a very talented back.) Is he a feature back though? Even at his peak I'd say no. He's an awesome tandem back, and if the Jets could work in a true rotation of Jones, Washington, and Greene, I think you'd see more success on the offense. And that's the big problem. This team can't pass to set up the run. Ryan swore his philosophy coming in was to run. To keep the ball on the ground and play smashmouth football. So far, that's been pretty rare. All of the play designs and alerts and such should be reserved for the future. Sanchez doesn't need that crap right now. He needs to be able to hand the ball to someone lined up behind him and only be responsible to throw once every 4 downs or so. And even then, on short and intermediate routes. Again though, it's not the system, it's the in-game implementation. Especially with a rookie QB. Any QB would need a couple years in this system to run it as Schottenheimer draws it up. Asking a rookie to do it less than two months into his career is asking too much.
Do you realize what will happen if we do that. If you take away the audibles and save passes for third down situations. 1) Defenses will be stacking 9-10 guys in the box , stuffing the run game completely. W/o the ability to audible we'll run into max coverage on many occasions where a simple audible could have defeated the defense. In otherwords we'll be giving up downs. 2) Sanchez will take a beating. I don't care how good our OL is , put him in 3rd and long situations all day and he is going to get hammered. We still need a mix of pass and run to keep defenses honest. Lots of people are pining for a true smashmouth run 80% type offense - this is a recipe to get our franchise QB pounded. If anything we should be throwing more on first down, this loosens up the safeties and allows Sanchez to thorw most likely w/o a focused pass rush.
We ranked 9th in the NFL in scoring last year. We had more games where we scored under 20 than we did over 30 last year. More than 25% of our points came in 2 games the Rams and Cardinals.
To AlioTheFool: I did say what Sid Gillman offense could possibly be. I didn't comment on Brian's system, other than that Brian's system cannot really play a smashmouth football, which is the cornerstone of Gillman offense. That's more than a slap in the face. In a way, Gillman offense is a very masculine offense, with a very simple message of "do what you will, but we will get our 4 yards no matter what." This is where everything starts. Does this suit the character of Brian's offense? Never have I questioned the character of this offensive playcalling like I have in the past two years. Again, I repeat. I have NEVER said how great Brian's system was. Chudzinski's system sucked. There's no reason to think why Brian's variant would be any better. He cannot even impose his will on the ground, so he has to resort to gimmick plays to get the running game going. That's not how you impose your will on the opposing defenses.
i think hes average at best ... leon is electric in the open field, how often does shotty call plays for him to get the ball in space and make something happen?
Believe it or not, that's how they got it done down there at Baltimore last year. Sadly, Baltimore could run a very effective running game. Jets can't seem to.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough. If so, my apologies. I'm not saying take away audibles altogether. What I'm saying is not making this a cornerstone of the offensive gameplan, which right now it is. Far too often Sanchez is calling off the play at the line. Sometimes you have to just run the play and take your chances. As for only throwing on third down, that's not what I said. I said throwing once every 4 downs. Meaning, on average. Pass, run, run. Run, pass, run. Run, run, pass. (Not necessarily in that exact order, but hopefully you get my meaning.) I'm not trying to take Sanchez out of the equation. I'm simply saying he shouldn't be responsible to throw so often, and always in obvious passing downs from the shotgun. That's what is going to get him pounded. I agree with you. My point is, the system that Schottenheimer wants to run is not compatible with his players, so that's why it can't work as designed. I didn't mean to sound like I was putting words in your mouth either. I was just using what you said as evidence to support my own points. BS should be trying to impose his will on the ground. This team has the talent for that. Moreso than the high-flying circus he's trying to run. Once Cotchery and Edwards are both on the field and healthy this team will be able to put some air under the ball. That does entail Sanchez looking off receivers, but I'm confident that once he's got multiple targets that he knows can catch and make plays, he'll look around more. It's hard to look off receivers when you know there is only one guy on the field who can make a play for you.
Good points here, but let's face it - Schott did not lose the Buff game, and the larger picture is the team will not change out OC's mid season. hell, the Jets even waited til the season was over to get rid of Sutton, and he totally sucked. Let's see how Schott does when Sanchez hopefully goes at least back up to mediocre from truly sucking, and Cotch is back with Edwards, and hopefully Keller remembers how to catch. Then we can better assess Schott going forward. Imo, too many variables right now.
This is exactly the problem - too many variables. The point of an offense is either to score points or to control the clock, or hopefully both. The implementation of Schotty's offense has failed to do this effectively in the three years it has been used. It just doesn't work. If the Jets had topflight talent all along the offense it would be a wonderful scheme to take advantage of that. Of course anything other than "go long and make a cut at the mailbox" would also be a wonderful scheme with that talent level. Right now the Jets are struggling because the entire offense is having trouble assimilating Schotty's scheme. You can either replace all the players or...
It worked very well in 06. Our talent level on O was putrid and the O out performed the talent by a mile. That has to be attributed to something about the scheme. Now if you want to argue that the Jets have superior O talent and by merely executing a fundementally simple scheme we would get superior results, I'm all ears. I don't think we do have superior O talent.
He's checking out of plays often because teams are simply stacking the box on us. This has two benefits , one it gives us the possibility of checking into a play that might gain yards and two it speeds up Sanchez' maturation process. As far as Shotty running a high flying circus - maybe we're watching different games but I haven't seen anything in six games this year that would make me want to even contemplate using those words to describe our offense. I get the fact people are pissed that we didn't run more against Buffalo- its an easy mark after all the yards we gained and the fact Sanchez threw 5 picks. But bottom line , we're going to need a balanced offense going forward . Bufflao is arguably the worst run D we'll face for the remainder of the year , teams are not going to allow the Jets with a rookie Qb to just run the ball down their throats. Although an unpopular notion here , the passing is going to be key to our offensive success .
For some reason I thought we set a team scoring record for the season, but I must have been thinking of the Arizona game?
Not to be too obnoxious here, heh, but I think we can safely discount the claim that the Jets should not pass the ball. I mean really, that is just a complete overreaction to the Buff game. You are quite correct a balanced attack will be necessary going forward. The more fruitful avenue for discussion is whether the attack can be molded to best take advantage of the talent levels of the players involved. And right now that is not an easy order with Cotch out and Keller dropping passes. The other key variable is Sanchez. One thing you hear alot of people saying is the Jets need to simplify the offense. Sorry, but I must have missed that they had it simple in the first three games and made it complicated only the last three. The main problem on O in the first three games (other than not having a quality wideout to balance Cotch, now fixed) was Sanchez putting the ball on the ground. To cut to the chase, I am not sure why Sanchez would suddenly be too green to run the same O the team already had installed in the first three games. He just needs to execute better, imo. Having said that, I would not be averse to running more of the vanilla pass plays early in the Oakland game, but I don't want to overreact too much in that direction.
So here is the question that I have. Who would be a good replacement for Shotty if we did get rid of him next season? I say if the Redskins get rid of Zorn I say we go for him for OC or maybe promote Callahan (the problem I have with promoting callahan is since he is the OL coach you'd think he would have input on the way the offense is run but it has been bad). I would have liked to see us get Cam Cameron when he got fired from the Fins that one season. Alot of these coaches that i suggested I know sucked as had coaches but they were pretty good as offensive coaches. So I know you guys are going to probably flame for saying Zorn since he is doing so bad and got his offensive play calling power taken away from him. But I feel Snyder is the problem with that team not Zorn (he is severely handcuffed).
