In NY Junc NYJ world they are the greatest no matter what they do. Some day you will realize that NY Junc is one of the BIGGEST purveyors of MISINFORMATION on this board & you will learn to just disregard his posts.
I agree that it would have been great to pickup a guard like Giles... As for your comment on not having a dominant side, I disagree... D'Brick, Kendall, and Mangold, how is that NOT a dominant side??? please explain this to me??? Who else do you want in there? Larry Allen in his prime? I believe our left side will be top 10 in the league next year...I only see a couple teams that stand out with their left side, and I actually think we jumped ahead of the "so called best left side in football last year" (Seahawks) I'm definitely satisfied with what we have...
They made the great deal w/ Houston in the expansion draft in '02 and had kareem to take over for Young, they drafted Mckenzie, Goodwin, Yovanowitz, Cavka and Jones. they signed Brandon Moore, Szott, Kendall, Smith, Gragg, and a few other developmental guys we still have. The Ol was a major strength until last year when we got old and hurt. They did alot of work on the Ol throuhg the years and the only yar we were horrible was last year and we only had ONE player starting in week 17 in the same position he started in week 1.
Mckenzie's play has been deteriorating for years, ask giant fans how they feel about hima nd the Giants severely overpaid for him. They also let him go b/c we had Jones and they had confidence in Jones the same way they had confidence in Kareem taking over for Young. They also signed Scott Gragg and we had decent depth going into the year but we had guys age quickly and get hurt and the OL was in shambles. You can't have qaulity backups at every position.
Bradway was practically having sex with Kareem after drafting him almost as much as he openly fornicated with Jones prior to him taking a snap last off season. In case you missed it Martin had his single best season running behind Kareem and Becht in 04 and at the end of the 04 season, Fabbini could hardly bend over and get in a stance and was run over by both the Rams and the Steelers and was done at the end of the 04 season. Who was going to take over for Fabini last year if Jones a pass blocking LT was taking over for Kareem a drive blocking RT? I guess we could have drafted Khalif Barnes instead of a kicker last year and replaced both Fabini and KMac. Bradway decided if we had the kicker OL wasn't a big priority since if you have a good kicker you don't need to be able to push the pile for an extra few yards to beat a team like the Steelers. You just take a knee move back a couple of yards and kick the game winner.
FLASH BACKS OMG FLASH BACKS why did he have to bring up the take a knee three yards back then kick ---- >>> WHY WHY WHY.
I guess they planeed on jason being healthy and we did dign Gragg as insurance at the Tackle spots. martin wasn't the same in '05 b/c of injuries- to himself, the OL and the QBs. You think Kareem was at his best in '04? His best season was 2002 and he gradually declind a bit each year to where last year he had by far his worst season. He was still good in '04 just not good enough to justify the deal the Giants gave him.
In 2002 the Jets O-line was ranked 17 overall and were ranked number 6 in the league when running over RT, number 19 when running over RE. In 2004, the entire line was ranked number 2 overall, 3 rd overall running over RT, 1st overall running over RE..... I agree the Giants overpaid but don't try painting this picture of decline that simply wasn't true....
So the ranbking of the Ol has to do w/ how well kareem himself played/ Do not forget that early on in '02 the Ol was in shambles, Szott was out until Dec, mawae, Fabini and Thomas were all playing hurt. The Ol over the 2nd half of the season was alot better than 17, it was one of the best. It wasn't a steep decline where he couldn't play but he was at his best in '02.
Yovanowitz, or however the hell you spell his name, was another 7th round joke. He spent most of his time on the practice squad and then was cut. Szott's play declined fast and they never bothered drafting a replacement until they were forced to. Gragg was an after thought when they looked at the depth chart and realized it sucked. He was over the hill and his play was horrible last year. Then they traded for Morley which was even a bigger joke. But Missant, Katnick, and Snell will save the day? GOODWIN WAS THE BACKUP FOR 3 POSITIONS FOR 2 YEARS!!!!! The starters were a strength not the line as a whole. A strong and championship Oline has talent beyond the starters. Look at the depth chart of Philly, NE, Pitt, Dallas, and see if it looked ANYTHING like the Jets' last year. Compitent HCs and GMs, know that injuries along the line are common and depth is very important. 1 or 2 project players are ok, that is what the practice squad is for. But the entire Jets depth chart for 5 years was filled with projects and guys 1 year removed from retirement. Everytime there was an injury to one of the starters, the play dropped significantly, even when the line was in its best year. The talent drop from the starters to backups was significant. This should never be the case in the line. Take a look at champion level teams like Philly, NE, or Pitt. If someone gets hurt the dropoff is not that great, and won't hurt the team in the short term. There is a reason they draft an Olineman every year in the higher rounds. The former regime neglected the line, especially the depth chart. They gavve no long term thought to the line. All they did was try to fix problems with bandaids and long term projects. THANKS BRADWAY/HERM!!!
They got Brandon Moore before Szott retired then we signed Kendall- I'd say we did ok replacing Szott. You know this how? He ahsn't played so tell me what yuo have seen of him? I don't know about those guys but I've heard some good thinsg and they can provide some depth. Goodwin was a versaitle player, it's nto a stretch to have a guy be the primary back at the C spot and the 2 G spots. 2001 Thomas missed 3 games in the mid of the season and the Ol was great and we kept winning, in '02 Szott didn't get back until Dec and the OL came together in october. They neglected it so much that we had only 1 bad year from the OL in 5 years.
Dallas Clark was an All American at TE, All Big 10 at TE and winner of the John Mackey Award as the best college TE in his senior year. Pociask in four years at Wisconsin caught a grant total of 12 receptions with no TD's. But he has a 35 Wonderlic score and is high motor team player with all the intangibles. He's part of the new infrastucture.
Kendall fell into their lap and they got lucky. Have you seen GBs Oline the last 2 years? If he was any good there was more then enough opportunity for him to break into the line. There would be no way GB would have traded him if there was any level of starting material. OMG. Depth is not a word used to described bodies to fill roster spots. Depth means having players behind the starters that can come in and significantly dropping the level of play. Depth means having good players beyond the starters, not just bodies. Missant, Snell, Katnick, Morley are all long term projects. None capable of starting immediately, hence to term long term projects. Championship level teams might have 1 or 2, but the Jets had the entire dpeth chart filled with them. That is a joke. I Don't give a crap how versatile he is. Having him as our one and only backup for 3 positions is a horrible idea. If he got hurt, what would we do? Pray he doesn't? It is a stretch if you want to be a good team like NE, Pitt, or Philly, and not a team like the texans. Yes, because they were always one injury away from disaster. Think about this in 5 years, they drafted 2 players for depth capable of starting (Moore and Jones). Is that really addressing the OL depth chart? If they did, would it have necessary for the Jets to use 2 1st rounders on the Oline this year? Would it have been necessary to sign Gragg at the last minute? A player no one else wanted because he was so old. Or to trade for Morley that couldn't even cut it on GBs horrid line, to add yet another project to the depth chart? Yes, they neglected the line. Waiting for a Kendall to fall out of the sky, and signing over-the-hill players for bandaids, fall under the category of neglect. In five years drafting 5 OL, which includes 2 7th rounders (one being cut, the other hurt all last year), and Goodwin who is a lifetime backup. Only 2 players showed starting material Jones and Moore. They never used high round picks on the OL, only late rounds and UDRFAs. At best the OL was an aftertought, at worst it was all out neglect.
That settles it, b/c players have never been able to play once one team thinks they can't. How many teams have playesr coming off the bench w/o play dropping significantly? There aren't many and on the Ol it's difficult. They went for it last yeara nd they decided to try to squeeze one more year out of some older players and it backfired but alot of things didnt' work out b/c of injuries. What can you do? There are people complaining we didn't addrees depth at QB when we signed Fiedler and then he got hurt- that's football sometimes. Even the best moves don't always work out but overall under the last regime they did a good job w/ the OL. I also remember folks going nuts after we lost Bill Muir after '01 and when we lost Young syaing how we were going to have OL troubles for years to come yet we still had a top Ol for 3 years filling in the gaps w/ effective players. he was not our one and only backup, he was our top backup- there's a major difference. Do we need to continue? You pretend like you know so much but Moore was NOT drafted, he was an UDFA.
Now that is really f'in funny... my god man, sometimes your just out there with statements like that... Ellis
How many? Pitt, NE, Philly, Indy, all of the good offensive teams with good lines. Hell Philly drafted another 2 OLineman this year. It is not so difficult if you draft OL in the higher rounds like they do, and not depend on 7th rounders, UDRAs, and over the hill players. Take a look at their drafting OL history, and see how many 1-3 rounders they used during those same 5 years and get back to me. I can tell you how many Bradway used, around 0, I think. . No, he was not. On the Jets OFFICIAL depth chart he was listed as the one and only back-up for center and both G positions for 2 years. Take a look. You're joking right? I never pretended to know anything. I am providing an alternative view point, which is the point of a message board. If you can't handle the debate go home. But you are right, I am mistaken. But that just adds to my point. In 5 years they drafted 4 linemen, not 5, because as you say Moore was a UDFA. They got lucky out of it and got an average G. But drafting 4 OL in 5 years is neglect. It is not the way to build a championship line and team. Once again, go look at the drafting history of NE, Pitt, Philly, Indy, hell any Parcells team, and see if it looks anything like that of the Jets old regime. The Jets FO only drafting 4 OL (including 2 7th rounders) in five years, instead of 5, helps your argument SSOOO much.
