I'm just looking at the numbers, and with the exception of 11 games of Brett Favre, the Jet's offense has been below average during Schotty's tenure as offensive coordinator. Even in 2006, when he was getting kudos for a misdirection offense that caught opponents by surprise there were 10 teams in the AFC alone that outscored the Jets. In 2007 the Jet's offense was a disaster area all season. In 2008 the Jets had 11 games with an uninjured Brett Favre and they scored a bunch of points, but those points came in inconsistent packets and the Jets had 6 games, not just at the end of the season, where the offense inexplicably shut down. They got shut down by some really bad defensive teams too so it was a very random performance overall. In 2009 the offense has looked poor all season, with the defense routinely supplying good field position and the offense unable to capitalize. And it's not all Mark Sanchez's fault. The offense just sputters way too often and gets itself into positions where it has an unfavorable 3rd down to deal with. We're forgetting that the reason the offense worked at all early on was because Sanchez was converting those unfavorable 3rd downs at a silly clip. I think Schottenheimer is way over-rated and I think he is a bigger part of the Jet's offensive woes over the non-Favre streak than any other factor in play.
i really don't know... maybe it was because of 2006, when he did a pretty good job and was creative. he's been incredibly inconsistent since then he pisses me off quite a bit. i never thought he was a good OC...i though he was ok, but always tries to outsmart himself. maybe it's the media...they just put all the blame on the players anyways (much in certain cases may be true, but not for the majority when it comes to BS) i think having his dad's last name helps
Schotty's playcalling is atrocious. I can't understand why somebody wouldn't call plays to the team's strengths. I wish the Phins would've made him their head coach a few years ago. fucking moron.
I just asked why the general flow of knowledge that surrounds Brian Schottenheimer seems to suggest that he is a good OC, when all the data he has produced suggests he is below average at best. He really has not helped the Jets offense succeed and the penalties are now starting to mount in what is really an overly complex system given the results it achieves. If you're going to be a below average points scoring team, as the Jets have been over Schottenheimer's tenure, then at least keep it simple so you're not beating yourself as often as the Jets seem to do. It's really completely indefensible that he has run offenses that lost to the Raiders and Bills while running amuck on the ground and having the Jets defense limit the opponent to 13 points each time in regulation. This is clear evidence that he is incompetent. Edit: the early success last year in the Jet's offense was when it was simplified so Favre could adjust to it! It slowed down as soon as they started to fully implement it. Trash that offense, it sucks.
2006- the offense had hardly any talent and he was able to keep us in games with smoke and mirrors to cover up the lack of talent on the team. isn't that the year we beat the pats with some JAG rushing for over 100 yards on the pats in the snow on the road? look at all the numbers you want but that year was a great year for schotty. 2007-injuries and a very bad team. that was an awful year for anyone with the jets. 08- wasn't his offense. favre made him change to the type of offense he was used too. it went well while favre was looking good and once favre fell apart so did the offense. 09-rookie qb is going to limit the success of this offense. i don't think it is any coincidence that the one year everyone was loving schotty was the year we had a healthy pennington. this offense is complicated and demands a lot from the qb. if sanchez is allowed to grow into the system we may finally get to see a more explosive version of the 06 offense.
if the football gods were kind.....Schotty would've been dealt his walking papers..and Callahan would be promoted to OC. But we all know the Football gods are employed by Belichick.
Yes, but what's the point of running an offense that requires Peyton Manning to be good? All Chad did was to execute the offense to a 10th place showing in the AFC. The offense destroyed Kellen Clemens, it's working on Sanchez now. It only really functioned well when Brett Favre forced Schottenheimer to simplify it for him. And I'm not convinced that the collapse at the end of the season wasn't just as much the offense being slowly reimplemented as it was Favre's arm. Favre's arm at the end of the season was still better than anything Chad ever had going for him.
The 06 team Shotty did an excellent job. We had a below average OL. Kevin Barlow and Derrick Blaylock carrying the load at running back. Chad Pennington coming off surgery who couldn't throw an intermediate out that year and put together a creative O that was a bottom 5 NFL team in Offensive talent and we scored in the middle of the pack and made the playoffs. 07 the OL was done from game one. We couldn't throw or run and Chad was hurt game one and played gimpy for several games before Clemens took over. Clemens has not proven yet he is an NFL caliber QB. So far this year he has a rookie QB start the season winning the rookie of the week three consecutive weeks in a row puts up a stinker and comes back with a marvelous game on Monday night with the spotlight right on him followed up by a dissaster for his QB in a game we drove right down the field in OT from our own 15 and got in easy FG range. I'm not a fan of Shotty's but considering he came in here cold and has worked with 4 QB in 4 years and had very little talent to work with his first two years and a new QB right before the season last year a rookie this year coupled with a new WR added into the mix about 2 weeks ago and I don't see any glaring problems. He's not Bill Walsh but the guy hasn't really had an opportunity to work with the same QB and WR for more than 10 minutes.
Maybe I'm a devil's advocate, but I think that if he made the same calls and they worked, no one would be saying this about him. No one complains about the calls he makes that work, even if they are straight-up stupid. If he called a running play on 4th and 10 at the 10 yd line with one second left in the game and we scored, everyone would proclaim his genius, even though it is a stupid call. I'm just saying that its easy to sit back and judge from the TV set every Sunday. Not saying he's the greatest OC ever or that he hasn't made mistakes, just saying we are too judgmental. Not every offensive mistake was a direct result of his playcalling. Someone on the field has to make the plays too.
He'd have had that opportunity if he developed Kellen Clemens. Look at the Jets offense, with all the motion and the lack of a power grind, and tell me that you can see an average NFL QB come in here and get average results with it. I just don't see it. I see the system spitting out QB's like used chewing gum on a season after season basis.
i should clarify that i am not a big supporter of schotty. i just don't think he is as bad as most here do. i would be in total favor of giving schotty the boot and bringing in someone else. that is a decision that needs to be made this year though. it would be awful to get sanchez into this system for a few years and when he was finally getting comfortable change the system. so unless he gets fired after this season i am on the schotty bandwagon for long haul, mostly because it would give our franchise qb the best chance at developing.
I believe that Schotty is benefiting from the longest run of excuses to save an OC's ass than has ever existed in the NFL. Year one he's inputting his system.. then you have injuries to QB, decimated OL... QB merry-go-rounds and having to dumb down the system so you can integrate new QBs Favre, and now Sanchez. Every time you turn around there is a reason for the offense to suck and not directly point at Schotty and say, can't be his fault.
Great post. Just about sums it all up. My one issue with Schottenheimer has already been mentioned. He tries to outsmart himself. It's a complaint I have about various coaches (Joe Girardi and Joe Torre in baseball, Schottenheimer and Mangini in football.) These guys try to act like they're smarter than everyone else, and by coaching unconventionally, it will somehow fool everyone else and lead them to success. It doesn't. Going with what works time and time again is what wins games. In the case of the Jets they should be running, running, running, and then running some more. When a defense finally catches up to the run, then you put the ball in your rookie QB's hands. Simple formula, practically guaranteed to work. I love the play designs by Schottenheimer. It's the timing of their calling that I have a problem with. He's a genius, but he needs to stop acting like he knows it.
In 06 with awful talent and a QB who you couldn't throw outside the hash marks but could make the reads and run the O he got excellent results. 07 no OC was going to do squat and last year Favre didn't run Shotty's O and this year we have a rookie learning it on the fly. I'm not convinced at all but in 06 with a guy who could run his O but couldn't throw the ball worth a dime his O was very good. I wouldn't mind seeing that O with a QB who can run it and make the throws along with some good talent in the backfield.
We are 3-3 right now, that's pretty damn average to me. Consistent, no. Average, yes. What is a power grind? Never heard that term before. Running game?
he does do some very creative things and i do love that. like you said he has mostly sucked at deciding when to try something crazy. i don't know how many times the last few years i have watched a play that was doomed from the beginning and it just amazes me that he would try something out of the ordinary when the ordinary had been moving the ball. i can't think of a specific example of the top of my head right now but i know many drives that have showed potential have been killed by a weird play call by schotty that totally kills the momentum of a drive. if he would cut that crap out and pick his spots a little bit better i think most of the complaints would go away.
This is why you need to look at the body of work he has put up. 2006 - he got EXACTLY what you would have expected to get out of the Jets with a healthy Chad Pennington and the team rebounding from an artificial funk the year before caused by bad general management compunded by a QB injury. That is to say he got substantially below average results, scoring 90% of the points that the average team scored that year. We put him up on a pedestal for getting the results that any OC should have been able to get with that team. Does anybody think the Jets would have scored 10% fewer points than they did if Paul Hackett had been running that offense? I think they might have scored 10% more, because boring as he was he didn't make mistakes at the same level that Schotty's offenses make mistakes. The Jets were one of the least penalized teams in the AFC during Hackett's tenure. 2007 - he presided over a disaster area, again exacerbated heavily by bad general management for the season as the Jets depth on the offensive line was lousy. The Jets couldn't even stick with the young guy early on because he clearly could not run Schottenheimer's offense well enough to justify putting him on the field. They had to wait until the system had driven Chad off the field for good. And yes, the left guard blew chunks, but the system wasn't helping any. 2008 - his gameplan took a blow when Favre came in late and it had to be heavily modified and simplified so that Favre could run it. Surprise, surprise, the offense actually looked explosive at times for the ONLY period in which Schottenheimer has been OC. Favre also looked lost at times and so it got shut down by teams that should not have been able to do that. 2009 - the Jet's offense has been verging on disaster area, even when it was not giving the game away early on. The Jet's O put very few points on the board against Houston, New Orleans and New England. New England was justified. The other two teams are fairly average defense this year. New Orleans is allowing 20 points a game to any team other than the Jets this year. It's the offensive system. It's not a good system. The numbers do not lie and the numbers go back for 4 years now not just the 6 games Sanchez has QB'd.
I happen to think that the 3rd-and-short shotgun bullshit is actually the product of Schottenheimer school of playcalling, much more than anything else. I've been harping about it all season last year - and hoped I really shouldn't need to do that this year, but here we go again. Ok. I didn't expect Sanchez would have a smooth transition into NFL stardom - but look. The offense must capitalize on the weakness of the defense. Oakland sucked at defending the rush last year, so what does Schotty do? He dials up pass after pass after pass. We lost that game. Same fucking shit in Bills game. TJ and Leon ran over 300 yards - so what does Schotty do? He dials up pass after pass after pass. Sanchez got picked 5 times. Brilliant, if you ask me. On top of that, WRs are lacking imagination in the routes they run - I've been harping on this for years, and it hasn't been fixed yet. I think Jets almost fixed the defensive side of the ball with Rex - now they gotta find a way to fix the offensive side of the ball. B.S. is NOT the solution. He's just a bullshit.
If you go shotgun in 2nd and 3rd and short you have just gone into the shotyourselfinthefootgun. You've removed any chance of play action, you've removed any chance of effectively running the ball, except on an end around or a shovel pass, both of which are bad plays in that situation due to their high risk potential. Basically you should never be in the shotgun on 3rd and 3 or 2nd and 5 or less. You give away way too much when you do that for any potential gain you might make. Maybe Michael Vick can run that formation successfully for obvious reasons but it's a terrible stance for any other QB.
