The problem here is in the 3-4 the NT is just so important. That is why they are hard to find. Look at the Chargers and Jamal Williams, do they have a backup that can fill that role like Williams did? There are only so many 3-4 NTs that can play at the level of Jenkins, Williams and Wilfork.
The Jets really should do nothing if it involves moving anymore of their draft picks. The Jets are not a SB caliber team this year. They have the makings of a great defense and I really think we have a franchise QB in Sanchez and a great weapon for him to throw to in Edwards and despite his poor play I really think Keller is going to be a force in this league but with Jenkins going down and the fact that Sanchez is a rookie this team needs to stand pat right now, play the season, and see what happens. I still think there an 8-10 win team right now with 11 wins being the ceiling but with Jenkins out probably more like 9 wins being what there capable of. Theres nothing wrong with that. People cant get to caught up in what the media says about the Jets and how there a SB caliber team and all that. Because then when the Jets lose games because of things like rookie HC mistakes and the rookie QB syndrome showing its ugly head (things that are totally normal) people overreact and treat this now like its a huge dissapointment. It's normal for a rookie QB to have games like Sanchez had and he probably is going to have one or two more. Whats not excusible is the game plan and I put a lot of that on Schotty but thats a seperate issue. We just have to hope that Sanchez learns from his mistakes. If he does that I am very confident that he will be a very good QB in this league. We have a young Offensive core that we need to let grow together and we have a young defensive core as well. The one area of major concern to me is the defensive line. The Jets D wont be great until they address this area. I love Ellis but he is getting up there in age and while I still think he is a solid player he isnt a great 3-4 DE. Jenkins is a beast but he gets hurt a lot and is really just a 20-30 snap guy. The Jets need to sit back at the deadline do nothing that would require them sacrificing higher draft picks and then look to address the defensive line through the draft.
All your points about the O are beside the point. If the Jets go on with the season with only players on the current roster to fill in for Jenkins, you can pretty much write it off. Doing nothing means another Just End The Season.
Yeah but you have to look at the big picture. You cant just trade for players and try to patch up the team in a season where you cant honestly say that you have a team that could win it all. Trading away draft picks for a 30 year old Shaun Rogers isnt the best move for this team right now. But once again if you can get him for late round draft picks then I would be open for it. The bottomline is the Jets are not a 3-4 NT away from winning a SB. Do they have a deep playoff run in them? Ehh maybe but what they need is time. Time for Sanchez to grow as a QB and time for the Offense to grow in general. The Offense isnt besides the point because it takes both units to succeed in this league. The Jets D can play great but if the Offense performs poorly they can still lose the game like we have seen.
Listen to the idea: Suppose we can get Rogers for a 2nd... I know the guy is 30 (same age as Jenkins) but with him on the team we could split the reps 50-50 between him and Jenkins, keep them both fresh and have them on the team at least another 2-3 seasons. And in the important games can you see Rogers and Jenkins lined up together :S? I would like to keep the picks if it was up to me but knowing Tanny I wouldn't be 100% against this deal... What pisses me off is not knowing what picks we'll have for next year. Right now it's a 1 for sure, a 2 probably or a 3 unlikely, a 4 probably (Eagles getting nothing for Sheppard) and a 6? well... 1, 2, 4, 6 wouldn't be that bad would it? Hopefully we can trade down in rd 1 and get an extra 3... with 5 picks I can see this team covering up the holes it has. Get me a NT/DE or 2, an OT and BPA in the next rounds and I'm a happy man.
Should we trade for Rogers and then Jenkins comes back servicable next season, the defense would be insanely good, and give a buffer zone to address the OL and DE positions before having to deal with NT. NTs have notoriously had a long shelf life.
I agree with that. I dont have a problem trading for Rogers as long as what we are giving up is within reason is my main point. You wanna trade late round picks and maybe give Mangini some more of "his guys"?. Fine I wouldnt mind doing that but trading high draft picks for him isnt something I would want to see happen.
i can't imagine the Browns doing another one of those low draft picks and "mangini guys" for top talent again unless Mangini and Browns management are under Woody Johnsons payroll. Right now the Browns are the Jets farm team
Here's a guy to keep an eye on: DT Ed Johnson The Colts recently cut him because of weight issues. Indy likes quicker linemen and Johnson is around 310-315. Johnson could be a decent fill in at NT.
We cannot give up our 1st or 2nd round picks. Just can't. The Jets shouldn't make any moves here. Just run more 4-3 with Gholston/Ellis/Pouha/Douglas. It obviously won't be as effective, but there's enough talent on this Defense to play well without Jenks.
As much as I agree with you, with the way Tannenbaum drafts and trades picks..why not? Tannenbaum is obviously playing to win now. If there is a deal to made..why not take a chance? By the way..is it me or several of you guys given up on 2009?
We should run a 4-3 with Puha and Douglas DT. Ellis and Gholston as Ends.Pitouia(sp) and Green can spell the DT allow asome rotation. It ain't great but we are fucked on DL depth and knew that from day one
I haven't given up, I just knew that when Sanchez was named the starter at quarterback, things wouldn't go smoothly all the time. He's going to have his ups and downs. Usually when you draft a quarterback, your team is in a rebuilding mode. This team is kind of in between.
Just keep the guy we have now and tough it out the rest of the season. Draft another one in 2010 as hopefully a backup/understudy to Jenkins to take his job when he retires/injures himself again.
