We all know we would have beat NO w/o Sanchez mistakes, and we all know we would have won today if Sanchez doesn't end every drive in the 2nd half with a turnover. All I want to know is the opinion of the board on how many more games Sanchez personally costs us with his regressing play, do we really throw the entire season away for the sake of his confidence??
First off there's no guarantees we beat NO w/ the Sanchez tunrovers. yeah we can just subtract the 14 pts and all that but it doesn't work that way. Yesterday he deifnitely cost us the game but we have to love w/ it. This is not about 2009 for Mark Sanchez, it's about the next 10-15 years and developing into a big time QB. I think we all lost sight of that w/ his good start(myself included) but the bottom line is that he is a rookie and he'll have games like this. We still should have been able to overcome his miateks against a terrible Bills team.
Anyone who thinks this is a big season without extremely good QB play has no idea what the NFL is all about. I will remind everyone that this team tanked against teams exactly like Buffalo with Bret Favre at QB. The consensus on this board that the outright give up last year was all Mangini and had nothing to do with personal may have been a bit premature. Our elite attacking D has now been expossed 2 weeks in a row by relatively one demensional offensive teams. Sanchez has to learn. We rented a QB last year and we are paying for it this year. We need to make a down payment on the future and that is happening right now.
Considering the 6 turnovers and the horrible field position, the defense played well yesterday and can't really be blamed. I agree, however, that this was a building blocks year and expectations were too high after three games.
How many more games ? ALL OF THEM .... He is our QB, he is young, he isn't used to this type of weather ... Unless we were delusional, we weren't going to the SB this year ....
Winston - This is 100% right. This team was not as good as many were making it out to be after 2 weeks. Sanchez is a stand-up guy (I just listened to his post-game comments) and is going to get better from this. He has talent and a good attitude....he just needs experience. In the NFL, on the job training can be a tough thing to watch. They can still have a decent season, but there are going to be painful days....and yesterday was pretty painful.
The D didn't play well yesterday. I will remind you that Buffalo got a total of 13 first downs at home against the Cleveland Browns last week. The Bills are an outright awful team who lost their QB in the first half. Almost every INT lead to Buffalo getting the ball on their side of the field needing a long field to score. Buffalo got 20 first downs yesterday with a third string QB. For all of our running yards we got a total of 15 first downs. The real killer yesterday was the 14 penalties some of them beyond stupid and the holding call in OT outright cost us the game. The reality of our D right now is it's not good against the run and needs to totally sell out to get any kind of pass rush.
Penalties and turnovers killed us. Say what you want about the defense, but allowing 13 points after 4 INT's is pretty damn good, they were constantly on the field. Their only TD came after a BS call where Lito had the ball, this game was not lost by out D. Your first down theory really makes no sense when factoring in all the INT's, every time they sat down Mark was throwing a pick.
After the game, Rex Ryan said he "considered pulling him." (Sanchez). I was pretty surprised by that comment, and so publicly announced in that way. Even if you're thinking that, you might mention it to your staff behind closed doors, but you don't say something like that over the microphone. Incredible. The more I think about it, it's almost like that statement is more disturbing to me than the loss itself.
We aren't who we thought we were. Jenkins was right last week... "We got a dose of shut up." This week we got a dose of STFU.
The Defense was fine. They held up against great Bills field position every drive. They got a lot of pressure, just missed sons tackles. The Jets will go only as far as Sanchez is capable of taking them. Who knows, he could play exactly how he did the first three weeks and win 5 or 6 in a row. You can't define this Jets team.
Every turnover was in Buffalo territory. If you think we can win enough games to go to the playoffs with running the ball and D, the D has to be prepared to be on the field all day and get three and outs. If we commit to running the ball with a short passing game we will be three and out all day long and our D will have to hold up. That's what a real elite D is all about. They strap it on they three and out teams all day win the Field position and get turnovers to win games.
I love all these ass bags like the OP. "Sanchez needs to be fired! He failed! We haven't won the Super Bowl and he's been here 6 weeks! What the fuck! Sell the team Woody! It's over!" Why can't these people die? Honestly.
what's this talk about the D yesterday? no matter how you slice it bills scored 13 points in regulation. all the O had to do was score more than 13. you might as well have just posted a belch and a couple of burps. it amounts to the same analysis.
I get what your saying. After we stopped them, most of the interceptions came fairly quickly. I was watching from the game but 2 of the at least were about 15 seconds of us having the ball, that doesn't bode well for out defense. After 4 picks we still held them to 13 points. You have your opinion and I have mine. They held them to just under 300 yards of offense. There average yards per carry was 3.4, Owens was gone. The only things that killed us was that 37 yard TD pass which never should've happened. The int's are what killed, its was a game of field position and that just didn't cut it. First Pick @ Buffalo 38 Number 2 @ NYJ 43 (results in Bills FG) Number 3 @ Buffalo 26 (results in Bills TD) Lito INT on this play, called back Number 4 @ Buffalo 22 Number 5 @ Buffalo 42 10 points off turnovers, also the points scored off turnovers where the int's that were thrown with our defense stopping the Bills and then having to come back on the field in less then a minute. I still think our D is elite and when it call comes together, whether this year or the next, lookout.
You can blame Sanchez all you want. If you want to win with D and running the ball, essentially a field position game, you also have to be desciplined. We were anything but yesterday. We had tons of penalties and in the end the killer penalty was on the OL on a running play when we were in Field goal range. We also scored our first 3 on a Buffalo turnover after we were forced to punt. This game was about more than Sanchez and there was nothing about this game or last weeks which should make anyone believe we can win with D, running the ball and field position. It's just not practical in this league with this team right now.
I'm not blaming Sanchez completely, but a large part of it is put on him, and the sloppy penalties. When it was all said and done, we had the Ball on there 22 on OT and got called back on a lazy holding call. So after all the ugliness the game provided we still should have won. This team is in a funk right now. If we can get our defense that stopped NO and our offense that played Houston, and are usually consistent ST, we can compete with anyone. I just hope out CS can put all that together again before it's too late. We are still very much in this, obviously Rex has showed us glimpses of what this team can do, lets just hope we get back to that.
I have to agree with Rodimus and others here. The Defense held it's part of the bargain. Any time you have 6 INT's and the other team only gets 16 points the Defense (whether you call them elite or not) did its job. The Bills offense was put in position to score by the Jets offense all too often (the average field position on average of the turnovers) was at the Buffalo 40. Do that six times and most teams are going to score points at some juncture - even the Bills.
I will argue that stats can be blinding. Sure Buffalo only got 13 first downs against the Browns last week. but that game was played in very bad wind conditions - gusting over 45 mph. Both D's just stacked the box for the run , since neither team could pass - in fact teh Browns only had 2 pass completions for the game. Fitzpatrick is a 2nd string Qb , who started about 10 games last year in Cincy , in honesty I think the Bills had a better chance with him due to his mobility. Now did the Jets D play great - no , But they played good enough for the win . The story of yesterday's game was turnovers and penalties. And while I'm not complaining , I'll contend holding can be called on virtually every offensive play - I'm just dumbfounded at how many "holding" type penalties we get called against us at crucial moments at home. The hypothetical I'll throw out , Pats in the same scenario with that same run to set up the potential winning FG - Do you think they get the holding call at home ???
