So I am sure everyone watches nfl network, espn, and all those other prediction shows. Everyone is saying the Giants are Super Bowl bound, and minimum 10-11 wins. Jets are a good team, we might win 6-7. No one is talking Jets to playoffs. I dont understand. On paper we match up very well. Eli vs Sanchez: Obviously the Giants have the advantage here. Eli took them to a super bowl, and is proven. Jacobs/Bradshaw/Ware vs. Jones/L./Greene: Jacobs is the a great back, but our core is much better than the Giants. I would give us the advantage here. Offensive Lines: The Giants offensive line is a false start machine. We have a pro bowl center, and Faneca, anoter probowler. I would give us the advantage here. Defensive Line: They obviously win. We have Big Jenks, but their ends are much better in Tuck/Osi. Linebackers: Far and away we are better than them. Pierce, Blackburn, etc. They dont compare at all. Secondary: Revis is better than all, but we have Lito across of him, so who knows which Lito will show up. Our Safeties are better than theirs. I would give us the advantage here as well. Wide Receivers: Cotchery is better than their number 1, either Hixon, or Steve Smith. They might have a better 2, and 3 though. This is a tie Special Teams: Feagles is better than Hodges. Feely is better than Tynes, L. is better than there kick returner, and Leonhard is a good punt returner as wel. I think we have the advantage here. I just dont understand why people are so high on the giants, and write the jets off.
The Jets have alot of potential all over the roster, but the Giants have a roster full of proven guys. Their D is sick, and have a SB winning QB. That is why they are hyped up, they've won it all with this core already. QB: NYG RB: Push WR: NYG TE: NYJ OL: NYJ DL: NYG LB: Push DB: NYJ Coaching Staff: NYG (I love RR and think he'll be great, but obviously the proven staff will be considered superior.)
Probably because they won a superbowl a couple years ago and we haven't won a division playoff game in over a decade. Or because we went 4-12 two years ago. Or because we collapsed in epic fashion last year. Or because we're going into this season with a new coach and question marks at QB and WR. It shouldn't be too difficult to understand.
wait now hold on a second, how exactly are you guys calling our o line better than theres? i just dont see that. we have a pretty damn good line but they have the best offensive line in football. the fact they have all started every game the last 2 years is a huge reason they won the superbowl and were number 1 seed last year. there is no comparison.
When the Giants won the Superbowl, they rode their lines the whole way. They have one of the best and most cohesive o-line's, and probably the deepest and best d-line in the league. Our front 7 hasn't proven a damn thing yet. Jenkins gets hurt again and our d-line is the pits. There you have it.
dudes....please pass that teaspoon this way. WTF are some of you guys on?? i bleed green but have to give credit to the big blue. they have the advantage over us in key areas - especially the most important - offensive line. easy in the top 5. not saying ours is a cupcake line but IMO the giants have the edge. i would put our OL a couple notches below. give a slight edge to the jets in RB, LB and secondary. do not know about WR/TE, even i guess. the giants take it with QB, OL, and obviously DL. the trenches are where most games are won and lost and the giants have proved that recently and several times over the last 25 years. jil
And then again, maybe not. http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/who-has-the-best-o-line-giants-or-jets/ "The Jets’ line is not only the best in New York; it may also be the best in the NFL."
The Giants Dline is as talented and deep as any team in football. Without their DLine they are an average team. Right now QB is another clear advantage the Giants have over the Jets. I'm not sure how anyone can give the Giants the edge at WR/TE though. Jet shave the clear TE advantage and the only proven WR of the two groups. They both have young talent with potential. Quite simply the Giants are SB contenders because they have the best DLine in football and a QB that has proven to be able to win the big one, they also have a proven HC.
that article is crazy Mangold is god there is no doubt about it. He only got beat on less than 6% percent of run plays all year? good god that down right amazing!
First off, the Giants Running Backs are better than ours. Secondly, the Giants Offensive Line is better than ours. Thirdly, we have a new Head Coach and a rookie Quarterback who started 16 games at the Collegiate level. Not too many people are going to believe that that type of tandem is going lead a team to 10 or 11 victories in a division in which Miami has improved (obviously), Tom Brady returns and now the "great" Terrell Owens resides in Orchard Park. Will we win 10 or 11 games? Maybe. Probably we will fall somewhere in between the "experts" opinion of 6-7 wins and yours/mine of 10-11, with 8 or 9. Our defense has 4 new starters and is learning a new scheme, they arn't going to play like the Baltimore Ravens right off the bat. I am encouraged by this team and personally see us winning 10 games this season, but the Giants are a much better team. We have some nice big names, but the Giants have come together and done it before and won.
I think its tough to compare the teams because the Jets are going to be so different from last year in several areas, namely QB, WR, and the secondary. We will likely go from a high scoring team to a low scoring team (hopefully giving up less as well). Ignoring that, the Giants over the past few years seem to be a much more solid and consistent team, whereas we have flashes of greatness, then flashes of crapiness. I disagree that our RBs are much better than the Giants, I think its fairly close. I also disagree that our WRs are better. We really have little to base that on because only Cotchery and Stuckey played last year for any decent amount of time, and they will both be getting carrying a bigger load than ever this year. All this being said, on paper I think we are not light years behind them, but it's a little early to put us in their league. Maybe soon though. What will make or break our year is whether or not we can get teams to respect our passing game. If they stack the run and we can't throw the ball with success, we are screwed. Our QB and WR areas are too questionable right now. Doesn't matter how good our defense is, if they are on the field the whole game, they will wear down and break. No way we have as any wins as the Giants this year, assuming no catastrophic injuries.
I actually did a roster comparison with a friend who is a Jets fan a while ago. Here's what we had in a nutshell (assuming my memory holds true). QB: Obvious edge to the Giants as they have experience and a QB that has won big games. Eli can be inconsistent at times (making even his inconsistency inconsistent) but until Sanchez proves himself in the league the Giants get the edge here. RB: This one is a push. Jacobs is a more talented back then Jones and is younger, but is also not nearly as good at staying healthy. Bradshaw is not as dangerous as Washington by a long shot (though I hope he proves to be this year), and it's tough to say anything about Greene and Ware at this point. Push. TE: This is one you can't really compare. The Giants TEs are asked to block more and, as such, are better at it. The Jets TEs are more passing-game oriented and, as such, are better receiving options. Think Kevin Boss vs Dustin Keller and you get a pretty good microcosm of this comparison. Ultimately we decided it isn't valid as the teams run two different offensive systems and their TEs are reflections of this. Rookie Travis Beckum may change this as it is expected he will be used as an H-back, but until this happens we don't have two like quantities to compare. Apples to oranges. WR: This one is interesting as the Jets have the most proven WR of the bunch in Cotchery. The Giants have more potential in their group as they went out and tooled up in the WR area via the draft and have Mario Manningham to consider as an emerging weapon as well. I would give the edge to whichever team gives you what you're looking for as an HC. It's ironic as the Giants are in more of a win-now mode whilst the Jets are in a pseudo-rebuilding phase, but their WR corps are more geared towards the situation of their respective cross-town rivals. OL: Both teams have excellent groups, but their are a few things to consider. First let me address that Joyner article. I don't like his man-to-man comparisons as they are inherently inaccurate in regards to overall talent on the roster. Snee vs Moore is a big edge to Snee, but that only goes down as 1 "point" on his scale. Ferguson to Diehl is an edge to Ferguson as while Diehl run blocks better, Ferguson's superior pass-blocking is what you want out of an OLT. The talent gap between Snee and Moore is a LOT bigger than between Diehl and Ferguson, but to Joyner that goes down as an even match. It works in the Jets favor too (Mangold to O'Hara and Woody to MacKenzie as an example). Now on to the OL themselves. The two teams both have very talented and more run-blocking oriented groups of comparable talent. The difference, we decided, lies in the depth. The Giants have solid backup OTs in Guy Whimper and William Beatty as well as interior OL backup in Adam Koets & Kevin Boothe (Boothe actually has starting experience at Guard). The Jets backups of Hunter and Mike Kracalik are the determining factor our mutual decision to give the edge to the Giants. Again, this is based not on the starting lineups as they are damn near even, but on the depth. Defensive Lines & LB corps: This is an impossible comparison to make between as they defenses they run are very different. The Giants might have the best 4-3 DL in football while the Jets have the best 3-4 ILB combo in the league. I won't even try to make any valid comparisons between these two, it just doesn't seem to work. CB: This is a similar situation to OL. The starting talent is not that far removed from each other, though I give an edge to the Jets here, but the depth must also be considered. Webster & Ross vs Revis & Sheppard is close, but it favors the Jets. The depth, however is another story. Terrell Thomas is a VERY promising young talent and Kevin Dockery has starting experience and talent that has earned him a starting position. Lowery and Coleman are solid backups, but aren't as talented as the Giants counterparts. This could change as Lowery continues to develop, but that was our assessment at this time. S: Jets get the edge here as while Kenny Phillips is a touted rookie, Rhodes has proven himself to be better. And yes, I am getting lazy at this point. Special Teams: Feagles is better than Hodges, Feely is better than Tynes, and Washington tips this in the Jets favor. Coaching: Giants are favored, they have experience and a good track record. The Jets could be great, as I LOVE Ryan's defenses, but they aren't there yet. Keep in mind this was done between me and a Jets fan, who posts on this board actually, and this was our assessment as best I can recall. The biggest disparities are the biggest issues to face any team, in my eyes. These differences are coaching, QB play, and trench depth. The first two will be answered this season, and the Jets could make a move to remedy the third number on that list at any moment via trade or signing. In nearly every other area, the teams are of comparable talent. Those three areas stand out as showcasing a talent gap and their impact on the team, especially late in the season. Take it for what you will.
based on the numbers in the article, our OL was better last year than the Giants. as far as RBs.... well last year we have no argument the G-men had the best 3-back tandem in the NFL. This year however they lost Ward their #2 back and Ware and bradshaw are to similar to each other to provide the 3 back system they had last year. We have Jones clearly the #2 back of the 6 behind Jacobs, and Leon is IMO better than Bradshaw is however both are dynamic and Greene which really we don't know what we have, but if he is as advertised he is a super power back. which at the worst makes us a push at RB if not better....
Those numbers are nonsense. The Jets Oline NEVER took over a game last year. The Giants O-line dominated a number of games, especially late. That's what shows a superior O-line - they take over games, especially late. The Jets O-line, in my observation, has yet to do that.
Exactly right our OL has reputation guys who have yet to show they can dominate for 16 games against mediocre competition. I think the Giants may be headed for a bit of a slip this year but the Jets have a long way to go to even be considered in the same class with them on either side of the LOS. The Giants played a much tougher schedule than we did last year and dominated us in terms of attempts, total yards and YPC in the running game. They also killed us in 1st down conversion, 20 + yard runs and they had less fumbles than we did. We have 2 outstanding young lineman in DBrick and Mangold, Moore is decent, Faneca is very good but on the downside and highly over rated and Woody is an injury waiting to happen. If they stay healthy they are going to be very good they are not the best OL in the NFL.
It's the hellbent pass rush and the power rushing attack backed by a solid, proven QB. That's always been a Super Bowl ready mix. The Jets have the power rushing attack at the moment and that's about all.
