Derrick Brooks?

C'mon already w/this nonsense.
Derrick Brooks can't play the 3-4 at any position.
Derrick Brooks at 36 yrs old will be completely unable to shed the blocks from an O-lineman in a 3-4 defense.
Derrick Brooks was released by Tampa Bay.
No other team has even sniffed at the idea of adding Derrick Brooks to their team since he was released.
Time to change your calendars on the wall, fellas ------ its 2009. What he did from 1995 - 2008 for another team is completely irrelevant to our team.

Get Gholston, Murrell, Westerman, Trusnik & anyone else some playing time for the 1st 4 games so we can find out what they are capable of doing on gameday when it really matters ---- its how guys like James Harrison, Adalius Thomas & Bart Scott were discovered.

 

Brooks isn't really a fit on the Jets, but he is a vet who would have some knowledge and smarts that would probably help all the LBs. He's also a great leader. I just don't think he would be affordable for what we need him to do, because he wouldn't be the main guy, but he would want main guy money.


As for Marvin, I think Matt Jones is the better option for us. Younger, bigger, and healthier.

 

Not interested at all. Too old.

 

Did you even bother to read my post? I clearly said that I was not in favor of signing Derrick Brooks, but since you chose to attack me, let me address your bullshit points.

Yeah, and? How many Jets players that are still on the roster today knew anything about or had any experience with the 3-4 system prior to Mangini implementing it? NFL players are, for the most part, pretty smart guys and contrary to your beliefs, they can adapt.

Oh, really? What's your explanation for 3-4 LB's like Patrick Willis and James Harrison who are both very comparable in size to Brooks? Clearly, both must have spent all season on their "stomach being ass raped by the o lineman" in order to earn a Pro Bowl appearance last year, right?

I refuse to get into a pissing match as far as the insults go, but rest assured I spent many years playing in a 3-4 system. Believe me, I know what it entails.

Brooks is old. He's tired. No one would argue against that. I'll say it one more time: I am not in favor of signing Derrick Brooks at this point in his career, but the majority of your fundamental arguments against him are completely bankrupt.

 

So you're trying to tell me if Brooks was in his prime, you'd bring him aboard to play OLB in a 3-4? He is a Cover 2 LB who plays a sideline to sideline game.... He'd be ineffective in a north-south 3-4 scheme.

 

He even wouldn?t know what?s going on, while playing on the Line and going up against that Big OTs every play. All he would see is 320lbs of meat.

 

In his prime? Absolutely I would. I wouldn't even think twice about the scheme change, because elite players adapt.

Brooks was an elite linebacker even at 235 pounds. Why do you seem to be under the impression that in order to be an effective 3-4 linebacker you have to be 6'4" and 275 pounds?

I ask again: what about the successes of Pro Bowl caliber guys like Farrior, Willis, and Harrison - all considered "undersized" 3-4 LB's by your apparent standards? For an example that hits a little closer to home, did you know that Jerod Mayo and Tedy Bruschi weigh in at 242 and 245 pounds, respectively?

 

^ did you know that almost everyone you named is an ILB and not an OLB?

Brooks can't play OLB in a 3-4. He'd get killed by LTs 1 on 1 every time.

 

Yeah, if this argument were for Brooks playing ILB in a 3-4 then you'd give him a shot. The difference betweeen Harrison and Brooks is that Harrison is a north-south LB. He has engaged olinemen his whole career. Brooks spends most of his time in coverage. Tampa 2 schemes blitz rarely, they rely on the dline to get all the pressure. You want to throw Brooks into a passrushing position when he barely blitzes? He would never be considered for OLB, only ILB. And whether he'd be a successful ILB is to be determined: see Jon Vilma.

 

^ Yep.

I'd also like to add that if any NFL personnel read this thread they'd need a change of underwear after laughing at the idea of Brooks coming in to workout as an OLB in a 3-4.

 

Willis, Farrior, Mayo and Bruschi are all ILBs, and other than in the 43, there?s a huge difference in the responsibilities between ILB and OLB in the 34. 34 OLBs are the premiere Passrushers in that system, and have to be able to beat OTs one on one, that?s why just about every good 34 OLB in the League was a DE in some point of his carrer, where he learned the art of Passrushing. Besides the Fact, that he couldn?t hold his ground in the Runninggame, Brooks? skills would be completely wasted, when you send him at the OT most of the Time.

At ILB, Brooks in his prime would definitly be able to play in a 34, even thou, he probably wouldn?t be nearly as good as in a 43 Tampa-2. You remember that guy named Vilma, he?s a great player, but he just wouldn?t fit the 34, so we dumped him, he?s a very simular player to Brooks.

 

wrong facts.

EDIT: New Facts:

Brooks had 13.5 sacks in his HOF career, and we want him at the pass rushing spot in a 3-4?

 

Actually Brooks was an OLB for Tampa. But the point is made.

 

What's your point? You don't think guards and tackles release down on ILB's in a 3-4 defense?

We can discuss this until we're blue in the face, but the reality of it is that it can't be proven either way at this point. I call bullshit on you, you call bullshit on me, let's agree to disagree.

Either way, I think (and hope) it's safe to assume that Derrick Brooks as a Jet is a non-issue.

 

All you people are high if you think Brooks couldn't play WOLB in a 34 in his prime. Good players are good players, period....just because Ray Lewis was a prototypical 43 MLB didn't mean he couldn't transition to play a 34 MLB. You guys make it sound like it's some ridiculous adjustment...it's a bigger adjustment for DE that become OLBs in a 34 than for a 43 OLB.

 

Are you for real? Look at Brooks' strengths and weaknesses. He can't rush the passer. I'd much sooner put a 4-3 DE at 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 WOLB, because 4-3 WOLB translates to ILB in a 3-4. I thought this was a universally accepted idea, but I guess not.

 

instant upgrade

i would definitely sign d brooks for 1 yr. any way you put it he is an instant upgrade over gholston. he would also be an excellent mentor for the whole lb core. but the only problem i may have is the rookie out of rutgers, westerman. if he is coming along as well as they say he is, brooks may stunt his growth by taking away his opportunity to play.???

 

A maybe to Brooks, a no to Harrison, we need to truly test our WR core this year.