2008 they lost FIVE more games than 2007, missed the playoffs despite an easier schedule. Manning has had by far the better offensive talent around him yet he can't lead them to points in January consistently. Here's a better use of #s: Bill Belichick W/o Brady(7+ seasons, 113 games): 51-62 ONE postseason app ONE postseason win ZERO div titles 5 losing seasons, 2 winning seasons WITH Brady(7+ seasons, 111 games): 87-24 SIX postseason apps 14 postseason wins SIX div titles 4 AFC Titles 3 SB titles 7 winning seasons In 17 playoff games w/ Brady the Pats D has allowed 18.2 PPG In 15 playoff games w/ Manning the Colts D has allowed 20.4 Reg season win %: Brady: 87-24, 78% Manning: 117-59, 66% Playoff win %: Brady 14-3, 82% Manning 7-8, 47%
You do know that Kicker has been playing for Indy for 3 years, right? Brady put him in position to win those games, Peyton hasn't been doing that. Peyton has been one and done the last 2 years w/ that K- was Brady ever one and done w/ him? Brady made a SB w/o that K- did Manning ever make one w/o him?
I got my wires crossed....because of the Marino/Montana thread. I'd still take Gisele over Manning's wife
Funny, both these polls compare similar QB's from different eras yet the results are almost opposite. The non-division rival QB is winning in both.
The problem with rating either of them the best is that Peyton has had 9 number one picks at the skill positions. That helps tremendously. Brady plays for the top coach in the league. Belichick was able to get the Patriots to a 11-5 season with a guy who hasn't started since High School. Both players benefit from great front offices and coaches. Can't say either.
Bill Belichick W/o Brady(7+ seasons, 113 games): 51-62 ONE postseason app ONE postseason win ZERO div titles 5 losing seasons, 2 winning seasons WITH Brady(7+ seasons, 111 games): 87-24 SIX postseason apps 14 postseason wins SIX div titles 4 AFC Titles 3 SB titles 7 winning seasons
Avg. Defensive rank: Manning 17th (20th or worse 5 of 11 years, top 10 twice), Brady 7th (top 10 six of eight years, top 2 three times, worst 17th) Brady has had a VASTLY better defense than Manning throughout his career. If the two were on opposite teams Manning would have more titles. He is the better QB.
Again, fantasy #s do not impress me. What these guys do in big games does, one guys steps up and one guy steps back. Manning's #s also have been inflated playing more than half his games in domes and playing w/ the talent he has had his entire career.
5 of those losing seasons with the Browns. So now not only is Peyton Manning overrated and holding back the Colts, Belichick is overrated and only wins because of Brady. Thanks for sorting that out for us.
In 17 playoff games w/ Brady the Pats D has allowed 18.2 PPG In 15 playoff games w/ Manning the Colts D has allowed 20.4 That's not much difference. The Pats D has been overrated and the Colts D underrated. see the artuicle at the link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/07/25/chff.belichick/index.html
Montana won 2 super bowls WITHOUT Jerry Rice. He won SB XVI w/ Ricky Patton and Earl Cooper as his RBs, w/ Dwight Clark and Freddie Solomon as his WRs and w/ Charle Young as his TE.
BB is overrated, he's done nothing w/o Brady. He's ben NE coach for 2 years w/o Brady and missed the playoffs both times. I'll pick this easy argument up later.
Of course I know that. The question was how many titles would Brady have won without him? Or to put it another way, how many winning TDs did he throw or run for in those titles that they won? Without Vinatieri they might have won one of those games..maybe. And don't say he got them in position to win unless you are also willing to say that he was just a part of a much better TEAM than their competition had at the time.
Also, in the Super Bowl seasons Brady's defense ranked 6,1, and 2. In Manning's SB year it ranked 23. Super Bowl wins just aren't a good method for measuring an individual player. Football is the ultimate team sport. One player is incapable of winning a championship single handedly. Super Bowls are a team stat.
Belichick has 5 rings, Brady has 3. Charles Haley has 5 rings, so he's better then Lawrence Taylor. Taylor held the Giants back. <<<Junc Logic
