Probably so but not all of them had roid rage during a critical point in a playoff game. I think in a weird way that roughing the passer play on third and 24 with the Jets in control defined a lot of the negative about him. I always thought it was a bad call but I think because it was Mark...
The teams powell played for couldnever get over the hump and unfortunately he was overshadowed by Anthony Munoz. In the end at least one of the sack exchange members needs to be in the HOF. It's one of the fiercest pass rushes of all time.
I think "roid rage" is a bit unfair on that play. He made his living coming off the end and going after the QB full on, that time he got there a bit late and it was a tough call. That kind of thing went on all over the league every week. We remember that one because it was us and it was the playoffs. It's why it's hard to compare eras, too. If Gastineau played today nobody would probably have a problem with him, as long as he wasn't out killing people with his car or shooting his gun off in a club.
I realize that some younger fans wouldn't know him but.....WINSTON HILL - hands down should be an automatic inductee into the HOF. He was certainly among the greatest OTs in the AFL. He was certainly one of the best OTs in the NFL during his era (approx 1965-1977). He was a perennial Pro Bowler and he played his whole career with the Jets. He was THE MAN. As much as I agree on Klecko - I would easily put Hill in the Hall before Klecko - Yes Winston Hill was that good.
The Jets were a good franchise for most of Powell's career, he made 4 playoff apps and an AFC Title Game. He was 3 time 1st team all-pro so he got recognition.
A legitimate case for the HOF can be made for Winston Hill, Joe Klecko and Mark Gastineau. Kevin Mawae will also get serious consideration. Martin is a lock. Most likely as a first ballot HOF'er. The Pro Football Historical Abstract rates Martin as the #7 All time RB ahead of HOF'ers Steve Van Buren, Joe Perry, OJ Simpson and Jim Taylor among others.
curtis martin was a great player - but the historical abstract is incorrect. curtis was not as good a football player as oj.
Agree at that time I thought it was a bad call and the QB was less protected guys could and did go in with their heads down. I think it was called because it was Gastineau. He Marked himself for his own destruction. Hard to say if he could play in todays game with steriod testing? I guess you could say that for a lot of players back in the day.
Steroids or PEDs are as widespread today as the 80s, people are kiddding themselves if they think MLB players use and they don't in the NFL. It's more accepted in the NFL and these guys have ways to beat tests. he'd be using more modern forms of steroids/PEDS and be getting away w/ it like he did back then(until '88).
You think guys who are 6'6" and weigh 290 and run 4.6 40's are doing roids? I thought it was from pasturizing the milK?
I haven't read as to how they came up with the order, but the fact that he is highly regarded by the likes of Sean Lahman is good to note.
I loved Toon, but I think he didn't get in because he didn't play quite long enough. No? It's probably the same reason Lance Mehl is not even mentioned. Klecko is someone who definitely deserves to be in the Hall. Powell would be on my list somewhere down from Joe. I can see Mark G being on some lists, but it does not surprise me he didn't get in for the various reasons mentioned. Walker? I loved the guy, but he's probably just the type of player who barely deserves to not make it.
Matt Snell Should have been the MVP of the Super Bowl. I know he is not getting into the HOF but he was an awesome player and he was also in the first Miller Lite commercial which outta be worth something. Matt Snell was an all time great New York Jet.
Tough question and a great thread. For me personally, guys who I would love to see in the hall but would never happen....how about Wesley Walker. Of course Klecko, and even though he was over the top Gastineau deserves consideration.
Klecko deserves consideration, but I don't feel he belongs in the PFHOF. Gastineau and Walker don't deserve consideration. Until Richard Dent, Claude Humphrey, L.C. Greenwood, Rosey Grier, Eugene Lipscomb, and Jim Marshall get inducted, Gastineau isn't even worth talking about in regards to the PFHOF. Those other six players were all defensive ends (Grier and Lipscomb also saw extensive time at DT), were all finalists for induction at least once, were all arguably more complete and better linemen than Gastineau, and are all on the outside looking in.
I don't know about Marshall being a better choice for the HOF than Gastineau. I believe Gastineaus post career issues have more to do with him never being a finalist than anything else. I also believe Claude Humphrey not getting inducted was a disgrace this year.
I, too, thought Humphrey should have been inducted by now. If we say Gastineau's post career issues have kept him from being a finalist, then how did Michael Irvin get inducted?
