As far as I'm aware there are no jet fans who grade each game.And to be honest when you think about how the Cards are graded,it's still a pretty accurate account. The cards couldn't run the ball and dind't have a great o-line,and their defense ws nothing special.Warner and Fitgerald were what made the cards special.Plus coaching is not graded,a good coach won't need his players to be superstars. Plus games can be decided on a handfull of plays.An offense could move down the field,everyone doing their job and getting good grades.But it just takes one players fumble or a kicker to miss a kick to have good grades result in not scoring.
The Cardinals scored 427 points last year in the regular season, 22 more than the Jets. For that they get a -78.2 on offense and the Jets get a +100.3. Spare me. Garbage stats are just that - garbage. I see nothing at all of value in that system, literally nothing. It produces numbers that have no correspondence to winning and losing.
The product of individual player's results always shows up in team performance. There is absolutely no way that Arizona's offensive line is as much worse as they graded out to be compared to the Jets. It's just not possible. I'm actually having an enormous problem at this point with the media opinions of the Jets offensive line. They had an excellent year last year on the ground, and that is clearly where the strength of the offense rests. In the passing game they were actually a very mediocre to poor line. I'm worried about what this season is going to bring, because they don't have an experienced vet back there to manage the breakdown in line play that is almost certain to be a factor in every game at various points.
You're going to hate me,according to the site we have one of the best pass protecting lines,instead it was Favre who held onto the ball too long.They also keep count of sacks,pressures and hits for each player and wrote an article about it.
Although I agree that everyone has went a bit nutty about line,it did have a really good year but it's just one year.I'd like to see another year at that level before declaring us as having one of the best lines in the NFL. And lets not mention the questionable depth behind the starters.
Thank you for posting that. I was arguing with bradway that sacks aren't the only measure of pass protection last week. This is a better argument than I could give. According to him Faneca is no better at pass protection that Adrien Clarke. :grin:
You're giving me another piece of information from a site that I already think has no clue. How does that buttress your argument? Brett Favre hadn't been sacked as many at 30 times in 7 seasons before he came over to the Jets last year. He was sacked just 15 times in Green Bay in more throws in 2007. Believe me, I'd like to think this team has competent pass protection, but the evidence is that it doesn't. The two imports last year to shore up the line allowed 13.5 sacks between them and ranked middle to low in the NFL at their positions in sacks allowed. That's just what it is.
Yes, and Favre was playing in the same system he had been in for 18(?) years, and working with receivers he had worked with for a while. Again, sacks are not the only measure of an O-lines pass protection abilities.
But what about pressures,QB hurries and hits after the ball is thrown?On a pass play generally one of two things happens to a line-man,they either block their guy or their guy gets past them,after that it's how good the QB ability to move and get the ball out that will decide if that free linemen will get a sack,near sack or a bit of him as he throws the pass. I can understand your feelings on the grades,it's subjective to the person giving the grades.However this article wasn't based on the grades,rather the total number of pressures,hits and sacks that are logged as they review every play of every game.These numbers are as subjective as every other site that lists pressures,hits and sacks allowed by linemen. From that data, Favre didn't get pressured as much as other QBs in the league, but when he did get pressure he was more likey to get sacked. Which leads to the discussion of why?Was it a case of when the line got beat,they got beat bad or was Favre not as nifty in the pocket with a slower release after missing much of the offseason and playing in a new system?
My best guess on that is that a pressure, as defined by their system of review, is very subjective and that the people they had rating the Jets wanted to see good things by the line and so they did. Favre also has a very decisive release. He doesn't hesitate at all when he's decided to throw the ball. This is one of the reasons that he gets sacked so little since 2001. It's also one of the reasons he throws more than his share of picks. It's a trade-off, he throws the ball up a lot and avoids sacks but gets picked now and then when another QB would have just thrown it away or taken the sack. Obviously we'll all get a chance to review what happens this year and figure out where the Jets pass protection is as we go. My best guess is that the Jets are going to take about 40 sacks this season. Probably a few less if Sanchez is the QB and a few more if it's Clemens instead. Neither of those guys are going to be getting rid of the ball the way Favre did. Sanchez maybe after he gets a little seasoning, but it's pretty clear at this point that Clemens likes to take his time back there and this line is not good enough to let him do that.
I think you could well be right,Sanchez will probably hold onto the ball for too long and Clemmens may do the same.But isn't it then the QBs fault for the sack rather than the line?A QB can't expect protection forever. I can't speak for everyone,but it seemed to me that Brady in 2007 had all day to throw to his WR's.But I also saw an interesting stat that Brady was the most hit QB in the league,I'd say more likely than not those its were down to Brady sitting waiting for Moss and co to get open rather than the line doing a bad job.
