Yankees @ White Sox

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  1. AlioTheFool

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    Holy shit!

    Swisher shuts me the f**k up!
     
  2. Yisman

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    Swisher ties it. solo homer
     
  3. jonnyd

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    Yooooohoooooooooo
     
  4. IBLEEDGREEN17

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    adasdfdasdasda SWISHER!!!!
     
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    its not guillens fault Kay
     
  6. AlioTheFool

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    Ugh, what's with the Ks?
     
  7. Cappy

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    Ha! I enjoy watching people hate on Swisher.
     
  8. AlioTheFool

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    Why? Because once in a while he comes through? When he's not keeping himself busy striking out?
     
  9. The Dark Knight

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    He is the man though. He has fun every game. Acts crazy. I think he has loosened up the clubhouse. He is important to the team.
     
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    Cappy, Swisher sucks and hes an embarrassment in right
     
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    not lookin too good here
     
  12. Yisman

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    White Sox win
     
  13. Cappy

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    No, because most fans are ridiculous in how they value players.

    Case in point: Strikeouts. While frustrating to watch, most of the time they are no more detrimental than a ground ball or a fly out. And occasionally, they're even less detrimental (a hard grounder when there's a guy on first that leads to a DP is worse). And if it's the baggage that comes with the additional OBP from a guy who walks a lot, well... that can turn out to be more valuable than a guy like Cano, who makes good contact, doesn't K, but gets on base less often.
     
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    Shit. That sucked. The ball was right back at Coke. An inch to his left and the inning ends.

    And seriously, fireworks to end the game?
     
  15. AlioTheFool

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    Swish has 62 walks to 79 Ks this year. F Swish.
     
  16. Yisman

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    I don't mind Ks if the guy can still manage to keep his BA/OBP up. A lot of Ks just means that it's more difficult to keep those stats high.

    I'd rather have Swisher batting for me with a runner on first and no outs than Cano.
     
  17. Yisman

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    Cano has 21 walks to 33 Ks this years. You can finish the post.

    Career for Cano:

    16/68
    18/54
    39/85
    26/65
    21/33
     
  18. Cappy

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    Yeah, see... you don't get it.

    Bingo.

    It's not necessarily as pretty, but it's more valuable.
     
    #58 Cappy, Jul 31, 2009
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    I hate on Swisher's defense more than anything. He looks like a slightly more mobile Manny Ramirez out there. He walks a ton, and I like that in a hitter, and has good pop... but his avg. is terrible and there's a reason why some nights he's the #8 hitter in our lineup. I realize hindsight is 20/20, but Abreu is making $5 million/per, and we'd be laughing if he was in our lineup right now.
     
  20. Cappy

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    Not really. Abreu's defense is worse than Swisher's, easily, overall. And Abreu's OPS+ is 125.

    Swisher's? 120.

    This is just further confirmation for what I said before about how ridiculous fans are in the valuations.

    ETA: Just to talk about defense a bit more. The metrics aren't perfect, but they give a good snapshot of how much a defender helps/hurts.

    Abreu in 2008 for the Yanks was at -25.3 UZR/150, is at -5.3 for his career, and this year is (surprisingly) at +1.2. Swisher was at +0.9 last year, is at -4.4 for this year, and is at +5.8 for his career in RF. So would Abreu be better in the field this year? According to UZR, yes. (Which is terrifying, and I'm not entirely sure I'd buy it, considering the conditions.) But career-wise? No.
     
    #60 Cappy, Jul 31, 2009
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