Yea, we'er in the same ball park numbers wise. I love Leon's abilites. I jsut am not about to tie up a huge chunk of cap space for him. Not before we have to. There is this year, then the possibilty of him not becomming a FA in the uncapped year, plus the franchise tag option. We have a lot of leverage in the situation.
well reggie bush returns punts, and ideally the number 2 overall pick would see 200 carries if he could stay on the field
Reggie averaged 16 touches a game last year. 240 over a 16 game season, but then again you hit the nail on the head. He can't stay healthy. Two of his three years in the NFL have been shortened by injury. Leon averages almost 10 offensive touches. Is increasing his work load going to wear his body down? Will his stelar averages drop due to wear and tear? Will he miss time due to injuries? We can not project that if his touches increase he will continue to produce at such high levels.
well let's think. in his rookie year he was the LEADING rusher on the team. mind you it was a brutal team. i can't recall how good he was, but that should give you some type of clue.
Because in several games last year on limited carries...Leon took a ball from offensive scrimmage for 20, 40, or 60+ for touchdowns. It's about the skill level. What part of that are you unable to comprehend ?
nor can you conclude that he will get injured. Every high draft pick is paid for potential, without proving a thing in the NFL. Leon has proven himself to be an elite NFL talent with the ball in his hands in the open field.
it seems you are unable to comprehend the fact that: a) if leon sees more touches we do not know if he will be as productive b) and giving him 6+ for production that HAS NOT BEEN MERITED would be dumb to say the least.
Not been merited? (and I pointed out that draftees are paid on potential alone...leon has NFL proof) Are you Daft? You cannot replace his effect on field position, nor the three games last year (KC,Buf and NE) that he had big plays for TD's where we won by less than 7. If you are going to mimic the verbiage, try to put some thought into the retort. WR's and CB's both get more than 6 mil per, and they affect (directly) 8-10 plays a game...not field position, plus scoring. It's about the inability to replace the skill. And Leon's skills cannot be replaced.
I'm unable to comprehend why you would want to give a guy that is a part time player with little to no leverage, six milion a year? Its about cap management. What part of that can you not comprehend? Would you rahter revert to the Bradway years where a few top guys get huge money and our depth suffers as our won free agents walk year after year? An uncapped year means Leon is not a free agent. We have the franchise tag to use if that does not happen. We do not need to do anything with Leon let alone give him Six Mill.
this is the bullshit i hate. football is so much a team game, it makes me laugh when one tries to pin such a win or loss on player. as many posters have mentioned, justin miller had as much an effect on 'field position' as leon washington did, and he is unemployed right now. it's the system. of course field position is important, but i continue to wonder why you put so much importance on it. please, try to put some thought in your retort before posting.
I'm well aware of Leons production that year. Implying that I do not is a childish and weak arguemnet. 650 yards on 150 carries. Not fulltime back numbers, but a very good year. Not nearly worth 6 million. Not even close. Those are very good third down back numbers. Very Kevin Faulk like.
i wasn't implying anything. i said the truth when i coudln't recall how good he was. thanks for the info.
Ahhh ok, then sorry about my asshole like response. Don't get me wrong, I like Leon as a player. I also place extending Mangold as a much higer priority. The only reason we are talking about Leon and not him is that Mangold is not making a public scene about his contract.
I'm guessing we run the ball around 500-550 times.. if that was the case Leon and TJ get almost equal carries (around 200?) and Greene gets the extra 100... that would be good for me. Actually I'd like that for next year as well only with TJ taking a bit less carries and Greene a bit more. I'm quite satisfied with our own Earth (Greene), Wind (Leon) and Fire (TJ) If only they could stop arguing about money...
The problem with the Idea for next year is Jones is due over 6 mill and will most likely be cut before he gets paid that ammount. The is why I would expect him to see around the 220 to 250 Carry mark is we are running around 550 tmies. We are going to use him while we still have him before we let him walk.
Because in my Jets dream-world I'd re work Jones contract and give him 2 mill this year and 2 mill next year ... But I'm guessing Tanny will play harball with him and make him play this year cheap and then either rework his contract if he proved worthy or cut him if he sucked. But if we get to that point I don't think TJ would accept reworking his deal. Let's not forget we are going to need a lot of salary space next year to re-sign Mangold and D'Brick... that's the only good reason I'd keep an option open to cut TJ and not rework his contract straight away. PS a question: if next year really is an uncapped year isn't it going to be just one big mess between FA, renewing contracts etc etc?
Well, although its uncapped, I know there are a bunch of rules in place. Like players with 4 years experince no longer becomming FA's. That is what really screws over guys like Leon. Not sure what will happen with mangold and Brick, but I'm sure they will be the highest priority that offseason, but Brick I belive has another year over Mangold's contract lenght. Reguardless, this up comming draft really needs to focus on aquiring some talent on the O-line for depth.
