R%aiders waive sixth round draft choice

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  1. rmagedon

    rmagedon Active Member

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    I don't need to go back and watch the tape when it was clearly obvious that Mangini pulled back on the blitzes down the stretch. Which meant he would rush 3 and drop back 8 and we still got burnt. His problem was, he couldn't adjust in the middle of a game. He sticks to his gameplan through and through. Offenses begin to pick up the blitzes so we were practically doomed if we blitzed, doomed if we didn't. You can't win many games like that. And still Ellis managed to get his sacks on pressure alone.

    Ryan isn't about exotic blitz packages. He doesn't even know where the blitz from the linebackers are coming from on any given play. The LB's are the only ones that know. That's why it's gonna be extremely crucial that the CB's know what the LB's are doing. I'm not saying we're going to automatically be among the top 5 pass defense in the league, I'm thinking we will certainly improve from 29th to top 15th at least. But I'm not worried about our pass rush or D. Even without Pace in the lineup. I'm more worried about our offense. So again, thanks for the offer, but no thanks.
     
  2. Raiderjoe

    Raiderjoe Banned

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    Well you should because you wouldn't think your pass rush was fine. (you would realize just how sad your pass rush has been )


    Yes Rex Ryan isn't about exoctic blitz packages. The point you missed is when you have to rely on tricks(disguises) to generate a pass rush. What is that saying about your personel. (or lack of) The S merriman , S phillip everyone knows what they are going to do. Rush the passer off the Corner. Can you stop it.

    Last point your delusional if you think your moving from 29th pass defense to 15.(wow you dream big) ONly way that happens if Jenkins is lost for the season early. Than there is no need to pass the football.
    Jets haven't done enough(Leonard, scott and sheppard) to make that big a diffrence in the pass defense. You can come after Qb all you want, the QB will know where hes going (whoever D Lowery is trying to cover)


    Btw - Re3member the last Ryan that got a headcoaching job. He talked about building the greatest defense and winning championships. He couldn't deliever, lets see if his son is as full of hot air.
     
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  3. rmagedon

    rmagedon Active Member

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    We've added a S, 2 CB's, and a MLB who can drop into coverage. It looks like, on paper, that our pass defense has been addressed. Gholston needs to step up to address our lack of pass rush, there's no way around it. He needs to be thrown in the mix from Week 1. Also, I don't think falling somewhere in the 15th is a reach. On an average, it's about 30yds per game thru the air difference.

    With Lowery, I think in this style of defense he will get a good look at some picks and PD's. But we'll see what happens.

    Also, don't worry about Ryan and what his father did in the past. You just worry about Cable getting the Raiders 6 wins next year to consider him a success.
     
  4. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Do you pay attention to what you type or do you just let it go for about 3 mins and hit "post"?
     
  5. Raiderjoe

    Raiderjoe Banned

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    You added a 5'8 185 pound safety, Two CB's( Sheppard and Donald strickland )questionable if they really are an upgrade and Ilb bart Scott( will he be as good in coverage having to cover longer with the Jets. rmagedon6 might have looked as good in coverage with the Ravens. Not to mention you need more than one Lb that can cover. We Know Gholston can't do that either.

    Finally you admitted that your pass rush hasnt been that great. (what Ive been argueing for a couple posts already) Now don't you feel better, getting the truth out. Why I suggested you take a look at sulak( pass rusher)

    Lowery has no chance to be starting Cb in Rex ryan defense. His lack of speed makes it extremely dangerously to leave him in man coverage(something Ryan going to ask his cb's to do more) Lowery has a better chance playing opposite K rhodes at safety than he does at CB.

    Lets see Raiders are playing in the AFC West. IF Mcfadden was healthy there is a good chance they would have won the AFc West last year. Raiders have a good chance to be in the playoffs next year.(Afc West is very down right now) Jets have inexperience QB and no weapons on offense. Now if you were a beting man which teams chances you like better.
     
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    Raiderjoe Banned

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    Wow that was the most insightful thing I ever saw you post.
     
  7. rmagedon

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    I like how you look at Leonhard's height and weight. Did you see him play against the Dolphins, Titans and Steelers? He's a sure tackler that forced turnovers. Based on his performance alone in the post-season, I'd take him over Michael Huff any day of the week and he was a 1st round pick for you. C'mon Joe, I know, you have to believe people when they tell you 6'1", 225lbs, sub 4.3-40 really doesn't mean much unless you can put to use effectively on the football field.

    Sheppard will start opposite Revis. So right there that takes care of the speed that you said we needed. Lowery will play nickle or safety or as Ryan sees him fit. I wouldn't be surprised if he has Leonhard playing nickle/blitz and Lowery dropping back to coverage as a Safety. Providing yet another blitz scheme teams won't see coming.

    I haven't admitted to our pass rush not being great. I said in comparison to the Raiders, they were great. And they WERE great in the first half of the season. But all that was figured out by the league and took care of it. Something that Ryan won't do.

    Also, I highly doubt the Raiders would've won the Division last season with DMC healthy. But I'll let you keep dreaming about that. I'll let you have the last word here because it sounds like we're just going around in circles here.
     
  8. Raiderjoe

    Raiderjoe Banned

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    ONE question? How many starting safeties are there in the NFl at 5'8 185 pounds? The closest is Bob sanders and he goes well over 200 pounds. Now if B sanders can't stay healthy what the chances leonhard will. Again Justin Leonhard can look good on the Ravens( that just goes to show how much talent ravens had on defense surrounding him. A 5'8 185 nobody cabn actually look good.

    Now I know someone who witnessed Justin Miller play having just speed, isn't the sole criteria for being a very good CB. Lito sheppard was benched for a reason- he was giving up just as many plays, as he was making. ( why he on one year rental) D Srickland will be the nickel back. Lowery does have a chance to play opposite rhodes. There is a reason why you don't see 5'8 185 pound safretys. You might be able to hide him on razvens, but that won't be the case on way less talented Jet defense.


    Your pass rush isn't better than the Raiders. Your top pass rushers have never had double digit sack numbers in their lifetime. What you had was the 29th pass defense where everyone was throwing every which way on your defense. Raiders the worst run defense . IT hard to pass rush on running plays. Rewatch the Raider/jet game perfect illustration of what im talking about.

    Jets were probably one of the worst teams applying constant pressure on the Qb last season. Case in Point Jets had more sacks than ravens, but ravens blew the Jets out in interceptions. More pressure on the QB= more likely Qb going to make mistakes. Thus proving pressure is much more important than just sacks.

    Raiders would have won the AFc West if Mcfadden was healthy easily. Reason being they would have been able to run out the clock ,than lose the games.(IE buffalo, Sandiego, Miami,Carolina ,and KC)
     
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  9. JetMonkey

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    Ummm...
    Don't you need to have a lead to hold a lead? The Raiders were 28th in scoring last season...
     
  10. KSJets

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    First, learn his fucking name. It's Jim, not Justin.

    Second, Sanders is 5'8" 206lbs. 206lbs is not "well over".

    If McFadden was healthy they would have won the AFC West? lol

    Yeah, and if you had balls you would actually be a man.
     
  11. KSJets

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    I read that the Jets actually led the league last year in 3-man pass rushes. So to finish with as many sacks as they did, when leading the league in that stat, proves that Mangini really needed to go...lol.
     
  12. Raiderjoe

    Raiderjoe Banned

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    I can call a 5'8 185 pound safety anything I want. What is he going to do about it. Nothing. I don'[t play football. What is he going to do to a 6'5 255 TE. Get run over.

    Second do you know the diffrence between 206 and 185 pounds. Thats a 21 pounds diffrence. Mr know it all I still waiting for you to tell me another starting safety that goes 5'8 185. (comeon if size wasn't that much a factor there surely would be others).
     
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  13. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    So can I call you Bridgett from now on?
     
  14. Raiderjoe

    Raiderjoe Banned

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    Raiders had a 15 point lead 15-0 against the Chargers in the fourth quarter. They had a 23-14 lead on the bills with 6:23 left. Against chiefs healthy Mcfadden who ran for 168 in first meeting , they wouldn't have needed to try a fake field goal with Chiefs picked up and took 67 yards for a tD. Dolphins- It was over when ...
    The Dolphins completed a 10-play drive with a 38-yard field goal from rookie Dan Carpenter. The kick gave Miami a two-point lead with 38 seconds left in the game.

    Raiders defense dominated the Panthers. J. Delhomme was 7- 27 for 72 yards and 4 interceptions. The great steve smith was held to 1 catch for 9 yards. With a healthy mcfadden and Russell, raiders win going away.
     
  15. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    ^You go, Bridgett!
     
  16. KSJets

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    Oh please, a 4'4" midget can kick your ass, so don't pretend a football player can't. I'll say it again, 206 lbs is not "well over 200lbs" like you claimed. Nice deflection attempt though.

    You're the one who cares so much about heights, weights, and 40 times. I really couldn't care less because all of those height, weight, and speed advantages you claim the Raiders have hasn't done shit for them in the win column.
     
  17. plinko

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    I don't know why you guys bother. Leonard is not a player most people would consider to be optimally sized for his position. That is true. Many players have overcome this and have had great success. Is Leonard an upgrade over the previous year, we can't predict that, but likely he will be. It's not like he signed to a ridiculous contract. He's basically making a little over vet minimum. Can we still upgrade at that position? Probably.

    I love how Jeaux always derails the intentional topic of the thread. This thread is about the Raiders wasting a draft pick. They picked someone in the 6th round and decided not to sign him. Basically the only time you do that is if you:

    1) Run out of money in the rookie pool.
    2) You made a mistake in the draft

    Since the Raiders haven't signed the rest of their rookies (1) is out of the question. I'm not convinced Al Davis though it was better to get older than younger by signing reg Ellis. Although he is incredibly insane. Let's get back on topic.
     
  18. FriendlyGiantsFan

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    Someone needs to make him a RaiderBridgett avatar now!
     
  19. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    Exactly! If the Raiders have all of these perfect specimens that Jeaux incessantly describes, how come they've been one of the worst teams in the NFL for a half-decade?
     
  20. rmagedon

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    That's fucking sad...
     

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