I thought Pelfrey developed into a decent 4th or 5th guy last year, I was expecting him to be much the same this year. He pitched really well in some spots last year. The problem is Omar went into this offseason thinking all the Mets needed to do was upgrade the bullpen but most people knew that was only part of the problem. There was certainly a lack of a quality corner outfielder. The lack of a catcher that could hit was another. No depth on the bench has been a trait of the Omar Minaya years and that certainly hasn't changed. I don't think the conclusions are that outlandish, a healthy Mets team certainly would have a healthy lead in the East. Philly for the most part is healthy and they are struggling. Atlanta was gift wrapped Nate McClouth and they aren't exactly setting the world on fire. Florida scares me because I like their youth plus they seem to be pretty good at playing spoiler. Think about it, John Maine, Olllie Perez, Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran, and JJ Putz are all on the DL. Say what you want but having 3 of your 4 best offensive players out of the lineup is going to have serious effects on the rest of your roster.
Excuse 2009: We were injured. Very original. *clap(s)* The wind at Yankee Stadium proved to be too much of a factor in today's outcome. What a joke of a park.
I love seeing Yankee fans puffing their chest when they beat up on the scrubs of the league. Are you guys forgetting that your team sucks too when you step up in class?
And It Doesnt Help That The Mets Dont Try To Get Better Derosa Was Traded For Nothing This Morning And The Mets Werent Involved Oh Thats Right He Dont Speak Spanish The Mets Dont Want Him
If I remove Arod, Derek Jeter, Teixiera, Matsui (since he is the DH), your best setup man, keep Wang in the minors and Burnett is gone as well and replace all of them with bench and AAA fodder how do you think you would do against a team that is equivalent to the Red Sox?
We played without ARod for the first two months. Jeter was out for a couple games, including game 1 of this series. Have you seen Matsui this series? Our best setup man is Bruney or Marte. Bruney has pitched 12 innings, and Marte hasn't been seen all year. Wang hasn't pitched much at all, and when he has, he's been mostly lit up. Burnett got lit up a few times too. We could look back at last year too when the Yankees were completely decimated early by injuries. Did you see Yankees fans cry about that when they didn't make the playoffs? Sure, this Mets team is trashed with injuries, but it happens. Good teams deal with that. The big problem for the Mets is that they didn't have enough pieces in the first place. A suspect rotation. JJ Putz is not a very good reliever, and KRod may have set a nice record, but he isn't all he's cracked up to be either. Besides Beltran, your outfield is suspect. Your catching hasn't been great since Pimples hung up his panties. You've entrusted first base to an old man. I mean, let's be truly honest, even when healthy, who do the Mets really have that is truly an above average MLB player? Wright, Reyes, Santana, Beltran, and who? Your team is the best AAA team in the majors when it's healthy. And yes, now I'm being a dick. If this is what you're going to accuse us of, I'll be happy to oblige. I wasn't saying anything negative towards you guys. The only guy I messed with was 17a, and it was playful banter. I made a true comment regarding Burnett's great performance last night, and everyone gets their panties in bunch.
Yankees play the games that are on the schedule. The mets were on the schedule this weekend and the Yankees won. Yankee fans have a right to be happy about it,and none of us had any control over who is or isn't in your lineup. Besides.it's not like the Yankees haven't had their issues with injuries over the past few years,didn't stop your shit talking when you won series. But those posters haven't bothered to show their faces in this thread this time around. Fuckin figures.
ha this whole "argument" started when MSU claimed that the only reason Burnett looked good tonight was because the Mets have a AAA lineup. The fact is, anyone who knows baseball could see that Burnett's stuff was tremendous yesterday and would have been plenty to shut down the mighty Beltran and Reyes as well.
yep yep yep...and I htink it may be time to point out again.....last 3 games....29-1 Yankees. 29-1......LSU wouldnt lose by a combined 29-1 to the Yankees in 3 games
Omar even publicly admitted that he'd love to be GM for an all-Hispanic team. The guy is nuts and shouldn't be your GM.
I don't remember bragging about beating your depleted pitching last year that was the point I was trying to make. And as for pointing out your injuries it is easier to handle injuries one at a time instead of all at once. And I remember Arod being out and him being out left Teixiera completely ineffective, that I remember. It is simple to dominate when you don't have to worry about the mistake being pounded on. All you have to look at is Boston when they had Manny and Ortiz in his prime, even when the pitcher is dominating he still knows that he has to pitch through a gauntlet each time threw a lineup and if for anything else even if he is dominating their lineup he has to throw more pitches leaving it open to the bullpen. Or are you saying there is absolutely no effect on a guy's pitching whether he is facing the Giants lineup vs the top lineups in the league. As for our lineup when healthy, sure we could use a power bat or a great pitcher, in fact i bitched about it in the offseason, but the point is even if you want to knock our healthy lineup it is still much better than what we have to suffer through right now. Fine brag about dominating about this depleted team as if you accomplished something but at least we do beat our rivals once in a while.
You should probably go look at the kinds of posts davecrazy and joejet make,you'll see that if there are bragging or ribbing posts,it probably isn't posters like you that they are directed at. Burnett was on last night,I don't care who was in your lineup last night. They weren't going to hit him well. Regardless,it's a W in our win column no matter who was in your line up,and were happy about it. Nothing really wrong with that.
I'm not saying you were bragging about anything. You're so ticked off you're not even listening to the argument, you're just fighting a fight out of frustration. Yes, ARod being out hurt the Yankees a lot this year early. Other guys filled in, but obviously no one is going to have the same effect of a healthy ARod. There is no question Burnett dominated a farm team more than he would have if the Mets were fielding their Opening Day lineup last night. The only point any of us were making was that his stuff was so good last night, he would have dominated your regular lineup, just not to the same degree. You're obviously a better team with your real starters than with your 40-fillers, but the same can be said of any team. The Yankees have fielded the likes of Angel Berroa, Cody Ransom, Francisco Cervelli, Ramiro Pena, Melky Cabrera, Brett Gardner, Edwar Ramirez, and Jose Veras this year. Granted, we've gotten lucky with a few of them, notably Melky, Gardner, Cervelli, and Pena; but that doesn't change the fact that we've fielded quite a number of guys who could still legitimately be in the minors. You take what you get, and you make the best of it. Trust me, I feel bad for Mets fans. Your team should be significantly better than it is right now. (And I'd rather you than Philly.) But if you guys are going to throw temper tantrums when we say our guy threw a fantastic game, on his stuff alone, regardless of the hitters he was facing, then you're asking for abuse. If you watch replays of Burnett last night, he had the kind of breaking stuff that would make us confident against the Sox. When a guy is pitching good, he's just pitching good. If you can watch a replay, look at his breaking pitches last night. One went from around mid-thigh of the batter to being scooped out of the dirt. That's nasty stuff, regardless of who is swinging at it.
Yankees vs Boston All-Time Series 1119?940 New York Mets vs Braves All-Time Series 360-302-1 Atlanta Mets vs Phillies All-Time Series PHI leads, 430?377
Its too bad the Mets don't have over 200 million to spend on payroll, then maybe they can replace their injured players with all stars too. Must be nice..
