That's right. he was keeping the water cold. In order for Chad to be successful,something drastic has to be thrown in to take the defenses eyes off of chad.
Actually, 2002 was his best season as a pro, which helps out the JETS fans argument. What did he do after that? Up and down for them the rest of the way. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PennCh01.htm For your sake, I hope he figures out how to stay upright and give you another good season. For mine, I hope to hell not.
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Disagreed. Chad had a HOF RB for the majority of his NYJ career and the oline was terrible only in 05 and 07, outside of those years it was serviceable with the likes of Mawae, Fabini, Kendall, MacKenzie, Randy Thomas, Moore, Mangold, Brick on it at various points. He didn't have an all-star offense don't get me wrong, but he had pieces that any great QB could have won with (Santana Moss, Coles, Cotchery, Chrebet, Lamont). Also, I'm not placing the blame solely on Chad so don't put words in my mouth. I think it had more to do with Herm Edwards' stupidity and Mangini's lack of adjusting, but I still think we've all seen the best of Chad Pennington already. Good not great.
This isn't right. He had Curtis Martin for the 3/4 of 2002, half of 2003 that he played and 2004. Curtis was effectively done by early 2005 while Chad was injured again. Chad got to the playoffs in 2006 and 2008 with no Martin, rookie head coaches and questionable talent around him. In 2006 we had no real #1 back--Kevan Barlow, Cedric Houston, I think. Someone help me, who else did we have? Nobody good, just Leon as a rookie who never got the ball.
Okay. So not the majority of his career. But to say he played on shit teams is unfair, he had talent around him more often than not.
No 2002 was not his best season, while Chad did throw 2 more td's and 1 less int, he also threw for 500+ less yards in 2002, he was not in the running for league MVP in 2002 and he was also the QB of a team that was coming off a 10 win season in 2001 nor was Chad coming off a major injury. Miami was coming off a 1 win season in 2007, what he did in Miami was by far his best season as a pro. Considering Jet fans will try to convince everyone Chad can't succeed without a running game, Miami had to incoroerate the wildcat to help their running game yet chad still flurished. BTW, Curtis Martin was Chads RB in 2002 not exactly a slouch RB.
He only started 12 games in 2002. He started a full 16 games last year. I'm not discrediting last year which was great statistically, but I think 2002 was better IMO. Also, with Curtis Martin as RB in 2002, I'm sure some of his touches were at the expense of Chad's stats that year. There are many reasons why Miami turned it around last year. Things that happened in Miami and outside Miami that brought about their good fortune.
Marino was a great QB, can you name his best RB during his career? Marinos best Olines were in Miami early in his career It's why Marino went to a SB. Marino played the majority of his career though with only decent RB's and couple of very good WR's no WR in Miami that played under Marino will ever be a HOFer. You're saying Chad had failry decent talent around him to work with, but neither Chad or Dan were nearly nearly as successful in the post season QB as Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman because they had HOF players all around them. Now I'm not putting Chad and Dan oin the same level talent wise, I'm simply pointing out how much more talented Marino was than Chad and without enough talent even the best QB's in the league will fall short in the psot season. Marino had a HOF career breaking every single season and career statistics without the help of a team full of HOFers. Marino did all he could do with far less help than many SB winnig QB's. Infact, if memory serves me, only Richmond Webb was playing for the Dolphins druing Marinos era that was a HOF level player. So don't fool yourself into thinking the QB can make the whole team win or lose in the post season by himslef. This is a team sport and I don't care how good or bad a QB is, that player will not make or break a teams success all by themselves.
Nice job looking up those box stats, Chaddite. 12 games versus 16 games is extremely convincing. You definitely suck at this. Why don't you just let Italian Seafood take over for you. He doesn't suck like you do.
I think Karim Abdul Jabbar was the first back to go over 1000 yds with Marino, somewhere in the mid 90's. Alot of times, he audibled out of running plays. His stats were impressive, but great D's saw this as a pattern and would show a run D, and then drop into coverage. He was never a threat to scramble, so you never really had to spy him, which is one of the reasons he had a low sack count. Of course Miami's OL did know how to pass block for a majority of his career.
Last year, he had his experience to draw on, in 2002, he had to establish himself at the NFL level. It's more impressive to me what he did in 2002. But like I said, that doesn't take away what he did last year.
