If Peter$ is such a high demand guy, why was it only the EAGLES that sought him out? Were they the only team in search of a LT? If he were such a sure thing, why did he go undrafted? Every team had a crack at him, nobody budged. The BILLS took a chance at him and saw that he may actually convert from TE to OL. He did. The BILLS "messed up organization" made him the elite LT you are claiming he is. Well what is it? Are you saying they have the ability to create elite LT's from the garbage bin? You're going to trust Reid, who coaches in another conference, over the team that took a chance on providing a roster spot for him and made him the player that he is? I would tend to believe that the team responsible for molding a player would know more about his abilities than a team that plays them once every four years. HE WAS AN UNDRAFTED TE OUT OF COLLEGE! The BILLS took nothing and turned it into 3 draft picks. This was in light of his worst season as a BILL. I say good move. I remember back in the day people were in complete disbelief about Hershel Walker. Dallas made out in that trade huh? Where did that leave the VIKINGS? A team, like the EAGLES, were looking to get over the hump. Ask any VIKING fan how that one feels. Keep believing the hype. Peters is nothing more than an average to above average LT. The NFC East has the best pass rush in the NFL. In my opinion, he doesn't stand a chance.
You say it was his worst season as a pro yet he made the Pro Bowl this past season? Huh? I wouldn't want to hear your take on every other NFL team's linemen who didn't make the Pro Bowl then. They must be incorrigible in your book. One question: Why was he a 2 Time Pro Bowler and made those pro bowls in the 2 most recent seasons, 2007 and 2008? Answer: The players, coaches and the fans thought was amongst the best at his position in the entire league. Everything else is in the past and irrelevant. He's one of the best at his position. End of story.
Of course you think the worst of Peters, he's no longer a Bill. Of course you want him to fail because if he doesn't you have to face yet another blunder by your FO. Brady was drafted in the sixth round, how many teams passed on him over and over and over? Think the teams that passed on him wished they didn't? The Bills are awful right now and they are going to continue to be so till they get rid of RW and DJ. Don't blame everyone who sees the Bills for what they are simply because you don't like it. It's your team you have to deal with their decisions till things are fixed, it's just part of being a fan.
I thought the worst of Peter$ when he started missed OTA's last year. Who knows where the BILLS would have ended up with Peter$ in camp and the rest of the OL to concentrate on their assigned positions, as opposed to the reshuffling that happened last year. I just can't understand how anyone can continue to say he's elite when you look at the results? I guess it's just easy ammunition to fire against the BILLS organization to duck your head in the sand and not look at Peter$ the player, but to create the Kaiser Sose of the NFL. His triumphant return didn't produce wins for the BILLS. He was a distraction that allowed his bad attitude to translate to poor play on the field. Trent got creamed against the CARDINALS and wasn't the same after that. The time he needed to get back up to speed put people out of position and had people trying to cover his ass as well as do their own assignments. Result, Trent gets a concussion. Enter JP Losman. Ugh. And yet people defend him. Amazing. When have I ever said that I am glad that DJ & Co is here? Check my posts. You will never find me giving praise to him. I have HOPE that he figures it out, but if I were to put my money on it, I'd bet against him. What am I supposed to do? As a fan, you hope for the best. BILLS fans are annoying to alot of fanbases in the NFL because there are less fair-weathered fans than other cities. When the BILLS are struggling, we still watch. When other teams are struggling, they turn off the TV and find another team to root for.
I'll repost my earlier post since you couldn't read the entire thread. Post #38. What prompts you to say he's the best at his position? Please share... You mean the guy that gave up 11.5 sacks in 13 games in 2008 (which by the way lead the league)? The same guy who couldn't create a push on short yardage situations in 2008? The guy who admitted that his contract dispute affected his play on the field? The guy who held out until the day before the season opener, then admitted that it took him until game 6 until he felt that he was back in top form (which the BILLS were at 5-1 at that point)? What was their record with the 2 time pro-bowler in top form? 2-8. I don't really miss the guy. It's posts like this that make me understand that alot of NFL fans don't do their homework, they just regurgitate what the talking heads at ESPN spew forth. In two years, you should revisit this post when EAGLES fans are throwing batteries at Peters. He's going to get eaten alive in the NFC East. __________________
What prompts me is the coaches, fans and his fellow players who have voted him as one of the best at his position the last two seasons. The coaches and players know who the best players are at a given position far more than you or I do. I take it you disagree with their expert opinion of Peters? If so, then there's no point arguing with you because you're only commenting with bias. You don't want to accept the fact that he's really good so you just focus on his negatives. Every player in the league has negatives. He's one of the best and the Pro Bowls back that up.
I guess we'll have to disagree then because I'm able to formulate my own opinions, while you just seem to believe what you're told by others. I gave you facts and reasons, and you gave me that you trust what others tell you. Maybe you'll see my point when I'm running an NFL franchise. EDIT: And how the hell Clady didn't make it to the Pro-Bowl I'll never know........
Um, Peters is an Offensive lineman and the BILLS didn't make the playoffs. Is it the rookie part? Because Clady had a surreal rookie season. He should have made it easy.
They did when they decided to play games with Peters rather than give him the raise he wanted. Like I said, Peters had a choice, he could hold out and lose money or he could show up and play, but there is no rule saying he has to play his best. IMO he figured he'd show up and collect a pay check, but he wasn't going to try real hard. It forced the FO hand and they moved him and he got the new deal he wanted....who won? Peters won. How do you not see that?
He was in year 3 of a five year deal. He still had 2+ years to go on a contract that he signed. This would have set a horrible message to other BILLS players of "Hold out, get paid." If after year three there was no discussion, then yes, the FO would be to blame. I see it as his "greedy new agent who wasn't collecting a dime on his old contract so we need a new one yesterday so I can get paid" advisor was the true criminal in the whole fiasco. Unfortunately, it cost the BILLS a pretty decent LT. Elite no, but better than average.
I think it had a little to do with the Broncos game plan. I think they used the moving pocket alot. It's quite a bit tougher to put pressure on the QB when he's rolling out so much. Cutler wasn't a pocket passer. I think that would play a roll in how much credit the T's get when they have less responsibility.
But still, for a rook to come in and perform at that level, especially when your D is giving you no help and your Offense is forced into chucking it, it's still damn impressive. He should have gone to the PB.
Do you follow this sport? Do you understand how players performance effects their value? Do you realize Peters career could end on any play and if that happens he's pretty mcuh screwed unless he's got a deal with some large guaranteed money? The life of a football player avg. 3 years, once you reach your 30's your contract leverage is pretty mcuh gone. You need to make as much money as you can while in your prime cause even if you play a full career you're only gone play abut 10 to 12 years and you need to set your future up based on that short amount of time. NFL Players especially are gonne try as hard as they can to secure what they can as soon as they can. It's just the way it works. You can pretend there is this perfect world and players should wiat for the money to come their way after they make 5 probowls or when their current contract is up, but what of they outperform that contract should they just sit back and say "oh well, I have faith they'll pay me some day"? No! Try reading up on the way the NFL works, cause you seem lost to the most basic knowledge of this sport.
I think he played very well, but there are reasons why he wasn't invited. Obviously it wasn't cause they just don't like Bronco players. I really do belive I read somewhere that was a big reason why Clady wasn't in the pro bowl, beacuse of the way Cutler was always running and moving out of the pocket.
Then don't sign a 5 year contract. Or have incentive clauses in those contracts. To hold a team ransom because you give the illusion of a deal, then take it away and not honor a contract because you play above your potential is unprofessional. Nobody held a gun to his head to sign a five year deal three years ago. If he feels that his agent didn't do him justice, then punish him, not the BILLS and other players who are honoring their end of the bargain. This isn't the wild west where there are few, but unimportant laws to be followed.
Orton will actually run the plays that are called and go through his progressions. I think people are gonna be surprised at how well Orton can run an offense with some decent receivers. He was having a good year last year with mediocre receivers to throw to, until he hurt his ankle....
