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"Favre is tougher to evaluate. He shares in blame for the collapse. However, we will not know the extent which he cost the franchise for a few years. His presence cost the team a year in which it could have evaluated Kellen Clemens. Imagine Clemens goes to another team and becomes a quality quarterback. Then imagine Mark Sanchez does not pan out. One season of Favre in this scenario may have cost the team five years to a decade."

No crap.

 

The Jets don't have the season they had last year without Favre. They're 7-9 at best with Kellen Clemens at QB. There really was not a lot of talent on the Jets last season on the offensive side of the ball. There were some good players, but Favre was the glue that made everything stick together and made everybody so much better in the first two thirds of the season. Then he was the main reason it all fell apart on offense in the last third.

Going and getting him was not a wise move for the long term but it was the only reason the Jets were in the thick of things after the Titans game. Without that move the Jets are just "building" again last year and with several 30+ players on both sides of the ball in the process.

 

Actually, the poster is a JETS fan. Buffalo Rumblings likes to hear from fans of AFC East rivals to try and diffuse the homers that run rampant on NFL fanbase Message Boards. PATRIOTS fans tend to get annoying sometimes, but JETS and DOLPHINS perspectives are great reads most of the time.

 

I heard Mike Westoff, off the cuff just, GUSH about Favre.. Favre was the reason Mike rushed back form surgery and he called signing Favre a no brainer move and he said after last year He'd sign up for another year of Favre in a heartbeat... 99% of the players stated they loved working with Brett yet 2 guys get allthe press while Rhodes statement that he should work in the preseason with the team wasn't too outrageous.

We have to remember Mangini ruined Favre - When you come out Vs the Raiders in an empty backfield and Don't run the ball against the worst run defense in football for a whole half while your QB gets Blasted, well.... then it's no longer Favre's fault when he's dinged and tries to do too much leter on.... Sorry haters.

Against teams like Oakland and KC Favre should have been feeding the ball to Leon and Jones ALL DAY... They should have tried to set a record for rushing attempts and then throw the ball when things opened up.... But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....


And that is why Mangini is gone.

But, Favre didn't cost this team a damn thing.. If anyone think the Jets would have won the SB last year then, that's one thing.. But, as we stand now, with or without Pennington, this team needed to find it's QB and hopefuly Sanchez is it... Chad was NOT.

But, PLEASE, with the acting as if Favre was some disaster.. It was a 4 win team that at points flashed as if they were among the best in the NFL WITH FAVRE - Then Favre gets unneccessarily dinged and the defense goes in a shell - BYE BYE MANGENIUS.

NEXT.

 

About Favre,

The writer ignores the importance of Favre giving the team the cred and cover they needed to get rid of Chad, which was necesary to move forward. I agree it hampered the team's ability to assess Clemens, though. Whether that in turn led to what might be seen as a desparation move to get Sanchez remains to be seen.

That being said, nothing as it presently stands prevents either or both Clemens and Sanchez from being quality NFL Qb's. Let's hope so.

 

Mangini coached scared all the time and Favre's heart wasn't in it because he never got to play against GB. End of story.

 

I actually agree with the writer. We didn't need a cover to dump Chad. Just bench him a yr and if KC panned out, ask Chad to be a backup or be traded. If players of Favre's caliber can be traded, Chad is a non-issue with all the health issues (Can we say John Abraham?).

I liked the move, and I was upbeat about it. But now that I think about it, we should have given some playing time to KC aswell in games where we either had a big lead, Favre was ineffective, or were being blown out (Chargers). I know he played the Chargers game (cuz Favre apparently injured himself), but he should have been inserted earlier.

We would have been in a different shape had KC thrown about a 100 passes. We would have had a better idea of him and it was probably would have made an impact on our draft if KC played well enough in his limited opportunity. Favre should have been benched when there was nothing left to play for during the Dolphins game. Atleast the second half.

All this falls on the shoulder of the HC. Its actually a combination of HC decisions and a win now philosofy. Im glad Mangini is gone though. He may turn out to be a good or great coach one day, but I don't think New York can wait a decade.

 

The time to look hard at Clemens was in 2007 before garbage time. We didn't do that and so we didn't get the opportunity to discover whether or not he was an NFL QB. In 2008 barring the decision to cut Chad (which is what we should have done in January of 2008) there was no way Clemens was going to get a real look at QB and he didn't.

The Kellen Clemens saga from draft to the end of last season is basically on Eric Mangini's head. He didn't handle the situation well and so we're still in the dark as to whether or not Clemens can cut it at this level.

Watch the Browns next season. I bet they have all sorts of issues at QB and Mangini winds up going back and forth between Anderson and Quinn without ever settling on one guy.

 

The organization can do whatever the hell they want to; they don't need to bring in a washed up old has-been to justify benching or trading Pennington. It was a stupid move, long term and short term. We could have known what we had in Clemens and moved on, now we have 2 QB's who haven't proved a thing. And if you looked at Favre's track record, it's clear he had a history of hitting the wall after week 12, so why the FO didn't see that coming a mile away is a mystery. Our collapse was pretty well unavoidable.

 

The Jets were forced to move Pennington due to contractual issues (roster bonus), so they had to backfill with a veteran, they decided to go with a veteran starter as opposed to a backup to Clemens, that was a mistake.

Another mistake was to not draft a QB in Round 1. The Jets have done a crappy job in succession planning at the QB position and that's why we've never had stability in the position. Clemens should have been the starter last year, with a veteran backup and Flacco at third string. If we did that last year Clemens would have had his opportunity, we would have had a veteran for insurance and Flacco waiting in the wings. Based on Flacco's performance last year he's probably be our starter now with Clemens in the backup role.

Instead we draft a DE convert him to an OLB and never use him. Waste a 2nd rounder on Favre. Blow out our entire draft for Sanchez (in a desperation move) and now Clemens gets his turn. This is what happens when you have a win now mentality instead of thinking for the longer term. I blame Woody Johnson for this. In his world it's about selling PSLs first and putting a consistent winner on the field second.

This year we have two inexperienced QBs so we'll have to bring in a veteran just in case. We could have had the same scenario last year we just delayed it for a year and wasted a bunch of draft picks in the process, not to mention have a lot of holes to fill (WR, DE, DL/OL Depth)

Going forward we'll see what happens, but from my perspective the biggest mistake we could make is getting rid of an inexpensive and still young Clemens, even if Sanchez beats him in camp. Also expect the Jets to lose additional draft picks as they scramble to fill holes which they didn't fill in their last draft. Thankfully there's some criminals available to help us shore up some of these areas.

 

It's funny that as Bills fan would laugh at any team's coaching or QB situations.

 

They can do whatever they want, but you ignore that a large portion of the fanbase were Chad Fans last year, and it was not coincidentally the year the Jets were beginning to offer PSL's. I thought it was clear Chad was not the long term answer, but there were no guarantees Clemens would play well. If he did not and the Chad Fans were up in arms to begin with, it would have been a bad business environment to sell PSL's. That doesn't mean I disagree with the rest of your post, but to just say the Jets could ignore the controversy that would have erupted were they to have moved Chad without the cover of bringing in a future HOF'er is not realistic.

 

This sums it up in a nutshell. Woody has yet to realize the way to sell PSL's is to win. To do that you have to build a team not make panic moves in hopes of a miracle that is not gonna happen. With all that was done we are still not in the general vicinity of the Steelers, Pats, Colts or Chargers.

 

Bills fans are the most clueless in the NFL... Poor idiots actually thing TO is going to give the team some fire!!! LMAO

 

Either the BILLS make the playoffs, or T.O. divides yet another team and the BILLS go into rebuilding mode. I realize that. It's about time for my team.

But when you look back at this time last year, there was a HUGE amount of Farve love going on around here, so I'd be cautious about the use of the word clueless in the wake of your QB situation.

 

With that low of an opinion of the BILLS, it must show you that if BILLS fans are laughing, your situation must be pretty dire.......

 

Then what do you call the last ten years, mediocre mode?

A lot of people never did get very high on Favre though, I sure didn't jump on that bandwagon. I would have preferred Kellen to start and see what he was really capable of before this years draft. We essentially lost a year with Brett Favre, and ended up drafting a QB anyways. I like the Sanchez pick, but it would have been nice to know that Kellen ISN'T "the guy" before hand. Now a few years down the road, he could be another Drew Brees (playing top flight football, on another team). I can't say I'm terribly unhappy though, I like Rex Ryan's philosophy a lot more than Mangini's.

 

I felt the same retarded comfort when Herman Edwards was fooling the league as Jets HC. Jauron is a fraud. Edwards hasn't proven much except he's fragile. 'Competing' can be a word used in many contexts, unfortunately it doesn't usually get associated with championships. A fraud of a coach and a guy like TO... that's more than I could ask of a division rival.