LEt me inject a little logic into your post. The Giants were picking where again? Now to move up from they were to 16 would be a pretty steep price. To go up in the top ten from where the Giants would have cost alot. (small fortune) The same Eli manning who Jet fans were saying his superbowl year, that Jets Qb was so many times better than manning. (How they forget do I have to do a search on that one) Eli showed everyone how Plaxico Burress made ELi, not Eli making Plaxico. Only thing giants have better than Raiders is the OLine(very big piece) But thats last year oline. Raiders come to the Meadowlands and will see the Giants. Lets see Giants Wr get away from Raider cbs.
First off, you look up any of my posts...I never said our QB's were better than Eli. Second. Who do you think is better right now? Eli or Jamarcus Russell? Third. You can't be serious about comparing the Giants D against the Raiders D. Whatever you're on...I want some. Fourth. I know the jump would've been steep for the Giants. If DHB was as good as advertised, you get him. Of course they weren't going to make the jump to 7. But the Giants have more talent to work with in order to develop him. The Raiders are still long ways away to have anything anywhere near to what the Giants have on offense. And that usually starts with the OL and the QB. You don't have either as of yet. Those OL signings don't mean anything until they put on a uniform and play.
Wow, Jeaux. Just wow. I almost feel like I'm pistol-whipping a blind kid, but let's have at it. The Giants have MANY things better than the Raiders. The Giants defensive line is the BEST 4-3 defensive line in the league. Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, Mathias Kiwanuka, Chris Canty, Barry Cofield, Fred Robbins, Jay Alford, Rocky Bernard; any of these guys would start on the Raiders Dline and (if not for Asomugha) be the best player on that defense. The defensive line comparison isn't even close as the Giants have a dline that is capable of attacking the QB in waves and can rotate to keep themselves fresh. Dline: advantage Giants. Linebackers: The Giants have a lot of young talent their as well as intelligent veteran Antonio Pierce. Pierce could beat off into a napkin and it would know more about football than you, Jeaux. They also have a true cover LB, something they have lacked for years, in Boley. Factor in the young talent of Goff, Kehl, and Sintim and the Giants have a clearly superior unit. I think you're pretty familiar with units, Jeaux, and I am willing to bet you'll agree. The running game that you seem to love to talk up has one inherent flaw; the offensive line. You should know this, Jeaux, it is very rare that a running back makes a teams' running game great; it is far more likely to be done by the offensive line. You may like to think the Raiders have superior RBs (which they do in terms of 40 times) but they don't have any blocking to work with. The other thing to keep in mind is just how physical the Giants' running game is. They don't just run the ball on you, they beat you up. This is a key part of their success on the field and their identity as a team. The WR corps of the Giants is also superior to Oakland's. Read this http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast and you'll learn that Hakeem Nicks has been watching footage of Eli Manning and the Giants offense for some time now. This means he'll be pretty ready to come in and contribute. Nicks may not have the 40-time that has Al Davis dashing to his Viagra cabinet, but he has great hands (that are also apparently freaking enormous as 4XL gloves are tight on him) and is very physical for getting YAC. The Giants already have fast WR in Hixon, Moss, and Manningham. They brought in Nicks to work the underneath routes and for his physical blocking ability. Finally, Ramses Barden is the redzone threat that Eli needs to throw fades to. The Raiders WRs have speed, but what else? The Giants actually have variety in their WR corps. Steve Smith moves the chains. Hixon has deep speed and height. Nicks works the underneath routes and gets YAC. Barden catches fades for TDs. This is how the Giants would like their WR corps to unfold. I look forward to that game during week 5, Jeaux. I can't wait to see Russell knocked on his fat ass (he'll probably be okay as all the additional padding he's been packing on will help prevent injury) in between throwing interceptions to the Giants secondary (which is just as talented as the Raiders not do to having one or two very talented players, but by having depth). I'll be looking for you after that game, Jeaux. I wonder where you'll be.
To say that the only thing the giants have better than the raiders is the oline is the stupidest thing i have ever heard.....wow :rofl:
First I was talking before Eli Manning won his superbowl(superbowl year) Alot of Jet fan on this board thought the guy was a bust and thought jets Qb was better. Do a search Second . You look at the oLine eli had in front of him and the one Jamarcus Russell had in front of him. Eli manning was a diffrent Qb without Plaxico Burress catching his inaccurate passes. P Burress made Eli look alot better than he really is. You put ELi manning and jamarcus under the same scenario and of course even the Giants FO take Jamarcus Rusell. Jamarcus Russell just the better talent. Third I never made the comparison between Giants Defense versus Raiders defense. Giants have the best friont seven in football, thats more important than having a better secondary. Raiders or no team can compete against Giants front seven. What I said lets see those Giant recievers get seperation from Raiders cbs. (we will see how good Eli manning is with a very small window. Four Giants have as good as chance as anyone of playing in a superbowl. You can't blow all your draft choices(depth and need areas) for one guy. They are a now team and simple would have traded for Braylon Edwards. (would have come alot cheaper) . The Giants outside of the oline, don't have more than Raiders on offense . Raiders are going to have an explosive offense(could be one of the most explosive) , just going to take a year or two for those players to develope. Again I can't say it enough. Raiders are running the ball alot, they aren't counting on there Wrs or Russell to carry the offense. When teams load up top stop the run, they have the ability to hurt a defense deep and score very quick. In a year or two Russell and the WRs will not need the Rbs to carry them. Anyone who judge Raiders WR next year is making a mistake. None of those Wrs are going to have 80 catches. They aren't going to get the chance 1 Te ZacH Miller will have the most receptions 2 D Mcfadden will be number two Third will be Johnnie Lee higgins. DHB will have about 40 something catches for 800 yards Could average 20 plus yards a catch. As deep threat hes going to get chances to catch bombs. 7-9 TDs. Raiders new Oline on paper looks to be very solid blocking for both the run and pass. Raiders aren't just building a stop gap line but an oline than coulds be around for a while. LT Mario Henderson 24 LG R gallery 28, C samson satele 24 RG Paul Mcquistan 25 (this rg is probably only position still up for grabs) RT Khalif barnes 26 Okay you are correct until they do it still a question mark. That oline does play well, you will see weapons Raiders possess on offense.
Joe I'd much rather take the giants WR corps over the raiders. Raiders WR's may have more speed but what else? Giants are a lot more balanced in that area
you would seriously rather have jamarcus russel over eli manning?!! with this post you've just convinced me that you're al davis. you just have to be. would u also take fargas over brandon jacobs??! of all the crazy things you've said jeaux this post takes the cake. the retarded cake...
For a perfect example of waht your tlking about you need to look no further then the runnign attacks of the NY Jets for 2007 vs 2008.
Were just talking on offense. Raiders can't match the Giants front seven . Its not even close on defense.
Thats still a horrible statement lol Russell is not better than manning, the giants have a better STABLE of running backs, we havent even seen what McFadden can do in a full season.... and the giants recievers are far more superior than the Raiders....it takes more than speed to be a great reciever....Fitzgerald, Jerry Rice......Cmon man stop bringing speed into every arguement
Listen i will respond to your post. NOW again I was talking Offense only. Even I wouldn't say Raiders can put out a front seven like the Giants. Nobody can and thats why they have as god a chance as anyone to get to the superbowl next season. Giants had one of the better run games/olines in football last year. The oline is a big part of the running game whether your running game is sucessful or not. Raiders never had the oline or the running game last year because of Injuries. Losing FB in the preseason Oren Oneal and paul mcquistan (who finished 2007 as their RT) was a big blow to the running game. TWo thirds of the Raiders running were hurt(Mcfadden and J faRGAS) Raiders running backs are healthy , Raiders will have a better rushing attack than the Giants in 2009. First raiders signed FB Lorenzo Neal 5'11 255 insurance for oRen oneal 5'11 245. Raiders will run alot of two TEs formations Zach Miller 6'5 255 and Brandon myers(drafted) 6'4 250 who both can block and catch football. There Oline should be a solid blocking for both the pass and run. LT mario Henderson 6'7 305 LG R gallery 6'7 325 C Samson satele 6'3 300 RG paul Mcquistan(6'6 315 dominate run blocker) Rg Could be someone else RT Khalif barners 6'5 325 (go look up how many yards Jaguars running backs ran behind him) Throw in raiders WR Chaz Schilens 6'4 225 sub 4.4 speed / DHB 6'2 210 sub 4.3 speed When they run two Te formations they will have only one wr. Raiders will be one of the better teams running the football in 2009. They will outrush the Giants in 2009. WR- Giants will probably be better in 2009 than the Raiders . Raiders WR outside OF Javon Walker is extremely young. They just aren't going to get the chance because raiders will rely heavily on the run in 2009. Chaz Schilens 6'4 225 sub 4.4 44 inch vertical, DHB 6'2 210 sub 4.3 , Johnnie Lee higgins 5'11 185 (will make alot of people break out players) louis Murphy 6'3 200 4.38 and Arman shield 6'1 195 sub 4.38(little disturbing that shields without any more surgurys was still not able to go in minicamp. That has the makings of an explosive WR corps that just needs a little time. Another year or two Your wr won't be able to compete. Let see that giant WR corps. get seperation from raider CBs. Man to man. Don;'t forget MCfadden recieving skills(Giants down't have a weapon like that) and TE zach miller who are a part of the passing game. LBs I think Raiders have alot more at LB than Giants do. Thomas Howard, Kirk Morrison and bevy of other Lbs Raiders have added. Raiders have way better cover Lbs than Giants do. Again your Dline just sick and blows away Raiders Defense. Makes it laughable if we discuss defense. Giants are legitimate contendewrs for a superbowl. Raiders have a good chance to win the AFc West in 2009. The division isn't that great and raiders do have the best young talent in that divison now.
You say that every single year. If the Raiders truly have that much talent, then their CS is the worst in the history of the league. Which I really am having trouble disagreeing with.
The Raiders just brought in a lot of this offensive line talent. It takes time for that talent to gel, especially when you have a new center coming in. I wouldn't consider the Raiders having such a dominant oline a lock by any means. The fact that these Raiders back have all had some injury issues doesn't portend well for you either. You also didn't address what I think is the most integral part of the Giants running game (and something lacking from the Raiders); it's physical nature. The Giants have in Brandon Jacobs, Madison Hedgecock, Andre Brown, Danny Ware, and even in the smaller Ahmad Bradshaw a very physical stable of backs. McFadden and Fargas and Bush have greater speed, but are not nearly as abusive on an opposing defense. The Giants running game does not merely beat you, it beats you down. Even if you want to argue that the Raiders linebackers are superior in talent to the Giants (which I disagree with) you are making a mistake by trying to look at the issue in a vacuum. The Giants superior dline will allow the LBs to roam free and make plays whilst the Raiders less than adequate dline will keep allowing guards, tackles, and lead blockers to the second level. It's awfully hard to play LB when a 300lb man is in your face. I would like to close by saying the Raiders will not outrush the Giants in 2009. The Giants freaking lead the league in scoring and rushing for half the season while the Raiders couldn't find the redzone with 2 hands, a roadmap, and Al Davis tired old catch-phrases. Don't let your feelings cloud your logic.
Russell is better than Eli manning. Eli Manning had the oline and without Plaxico catching his errant throws was not a very good QB. You put Jamarcus Russell on Giants and that offense alot more dangerous. The meadowlands wind not affecting Jamarcus Russell passes. The Giants don't have a better stable of running backs than Raiders. Last year they got better play from their oline. Raiders oline should be able to open holes this year and team with the better talent at Rb will gain more rushing yards in 2009. WR corps. Raiders aren't relying on russell or their very young Wrs next year. The Raiders are going to lean heavily on their running game . That running game going to set up that passing game. Very quick strike potential and ability to score from anywhere. Still giants Wr will produce more in 2009. In a year or two Giants Wr corps not competing with raiders Wr (coukld be one of the most explosive Wr corps)
:rofl: :rofl: or like that thread that Lowery was training camp fodder and would never see an NFL field on Sunday. Alright, someone else's turn. I like this game.
since i didnt go into detail like Giantsfan did please look at his post he said it alot better than i did lol but yea i stand by my opinion ill take eli manning over Russell in a game winning drive anyday esspecially in the playoffs
I firmly believe he is Al Davis. Only that senile old bastard could be this optimistic about the Raiders.
Two thirds of the raiders Oline will be new to the team.(thats not that much) Thats C Samson satele - a much better fit in raiders zone blocking scheme than Dolphins blocking Scheme. RT Khalif barnes(jaguars LT) who another tremendous fit in their zone blocking scheme. LT mario Henderson was a big addition to their Oline late in thew year, R gallery should have made the probowl at LG last year. RG With satele starting at center don't want to see cooper Carlisle starting . Cooper carlisle was Raiders best olineman in 2007 with a much bigger center alongside him. (jeremy Newberry) Last year without that big center teams put their massive DT over him, and he clearly struggled. Raiders have better options than Carlisle. They have to prove it but that oline should be very good. Don't be fooled Raiders running game is not all about speed. Again you just can't wear a team down when you have basically one rb healthy(M Bush) and the fact your oline sucked last year. J fargas might be fast but he hits the hold extremely hard.(reason he always get nicked up) Also last year Raiders didn't have their dominate lead blocker Oren Oneal. Who just destroys defenders that get in front of him. Raiders are covering themselve with Lorenzo Neal (ask L tomlinson how much he misses this guy) D Mcfadden ran between the tackles hard in the best conference in america(SEC) M Bush is no small back ask the Tampabay defense as he pounded them into submission. I was going to say you will see how physical Raiders running backs are next year but I expect raiders to play Giants defense a little diffrent, Three WR formations Chaz schilens6'4 225 and DHB 6'2 210 spread out wide. Louis murphy 6'3 205 4.38 in the slot Zach miller as the TE and Darren Mcfadden as the single back. Take advantage of the giant Lbs and don't let there dline become a factor. Pierce not staying with mcfadden. Giants play zone Jamarcus Russell will shred that defense(too many soft spots for Russell to exploit considering how spread out Giant defense is. Again Raiders lbs on the whole are way better than Giants( thats not their strength) Your correct your Dline is so dominate that these Lbs look alot better than they are. That what happens when you have that much talent on your Dline as ridicously deep.
