Trading Picks in a Weak Draft

E.........you're preaching to the choir. I've been saying for months next year's draft is going to be the best draft in a decade or more.

Round 1 this year is an embarrassment, IMO, the only true Top Ten players in this draft are Aaron Curry and BJ Raji. Jason Smith & Eugene Monroe are good OTs, but are overvalued in this weak class and aren't in the same zip code as Long Or Thomas. Picks 10 to 25 are interchangable.

The only round I do like this year is Round 2....there is some good value.

Trading up for Sanchez is my hope this Saturday.....as long as we don't give up any 2010 picks.

 

I'm for not just trading down, but even out of round 1 all together.

What do I want in return? 2010 picks.

 

Oh I totally agree that this years class is weak, which is why I would have serious questions if the Jets took any players outside of Moreno or Sanchez in the first round. Next years draft does look totally stocked though

 

Uh, did you even bother to read it? EVERYBODY is a fan of trading down. Everyone on here has expressed an interest in trading down, but I have yet to see a single person come up with a concrete idea as to who would be willing to move up and for whom. I'd be thrilled as shit if we traded back, but I don't see anyone worthwhile that teams might want to move up for aside from Moreno. I really don't see us doing it exclusively for 2010 picks.

 

The problem is that Sanchez may be taken with the 4th pick. It would cost our whole draft to do that..

Personally, I was really impressed with everything I saw from Sanchez on and off the field (I'm taking about interviews here. And he's extremely impressive there). If he's there at #17, I'd take him. But I don't want to part with too many picks.

I'd rather trade down to the bottom of the 1st, where I feel there's terrific value. Of course, everyone wants to trade down. It's too ideal of a scenario..

Even at #17 we could land a great player like Brandon Pettigrew, Kenny Britt, Knowshon Moreno or Brian Robiskie if they reach a bit.

 

What's your point, and more importantly, what's your problem? I voiced my opinion just like you and everyone else did.


To answer your question, the Eagles, Giants, Lions, and Vikings are all teams that I see as potential trade-back partners, and, like I said, I wouldn't even mind trading out of this years 1st round all together if it meant picking up a few early 2010 picks.

 

It completely ignored the point of the thread. The point was how poor the value of picks is in this draft, thus meriting a trade up. Teams don't want to assign the same value to picks this year, making our #17 of poor value. As far as the teams you mentioned, I don't see it.

The Eagles want a RB in the first round, or possibly a TE or LT. They don't need to trade ahead of the Broncos, Tampa, and Detroit to draft Moreno. They'd likely seek to trade ahead of us.

The Giants are actively trying to secure Braylon Edwards, which will likely require their first round pick. At that point, Cleveland would be the team we'd be dealing with. Who do you feel they want at our position that will be such a hot commodity?

Minnesota? Possible, if they want to grab a tackle. Again, however, I'd imagine they feel they could wait a pick or two before jumping ahead of the Lions. Those same Lions don't need to leap Denver and Tampa, unless they're unable to swing a deal for Stafford and want to jump Tampa to grab Freeman. In that situation, we pose a threat as well, and they'd likely be ringing up San Diego.

Multiple teams want to trade back, and the value of picks is watered down. That was the original point. I don't see what gives our spot enough value to think that we can easily trade back to acquire those early 2010. Aside from stating a preference for that, you really didn't add anything. Just like the 8 million other posts saying "I just want to trade back. We should do that." Each of those offers no concrete detail either.

 

...or a trade down.

To each his own.

Not necessarily. It all depends how things unfold. Moreno could be long gone by #17 and if the Lions take Stafford at #1, you can bet they'll be targeting OT at #20.

The Braylon Edwards-to-the-Giants trade talk has petered out to a mere smolder. He's not going anywhere. Who do the Giants want at #17 that they can't get at #29, you ask? A falling OT, or any of the 3 USC linebackers.

See Eagles answer, and like you said, they could also look to leap-frog Tampa if they're thinking Freeman. Could also be interested in an available LB at #17.

I don't know how much more detail you are possibly looking for.

We shall see. There's about 6,000 different ways this Draft could go, so we can discuss this until we're blue in the face but it doesn't change the fact that Saturday will be a total crap shoot.

 

No. In our situation, we have a player seemingly slotted above us, and we have an opportunity to trade up and grab him for less than standard trade value. If you're arguing that the converse applies, then you're saying we should accept substandard value for our pick at #17. That's what we're offering to trade up, and that's what we'd be offered to trade down.

In other words, the Eagles, who would normally need to offer their 1st and a low 3rd to trade up to #17, would likely be offering their first and a 4th or even 5th. That translates to a 3rd or 4th in 2010, likely the latter.

The Giants, who are contemplating Edwards, can get an excellent WR prospect right where they're at. If they want Britt, the furthest they have to move is 4 or 5 spots up. To take our spot, they'd have to trade their 1st and 2nd in a normal value draft, which this again is not. I'd expect them to offer their 1st and next year's 2nd for our 1st and 6th, which will again be a low pick for the round. We have then traded out of position to take Moreno, likely miss out on Britt anyway, and have poor value at the position aside from, perhaps, Jarron Gilbert, who could well bust. Is that the golden opportunity you're seeking?

Oh, I agree. They will be. And they may call us. Still, I'd imagine Tampa Bay would be much more appealing. They could trade with Tampa for less value, and Tampa would be assured of getting Freeman in the same spot.

Wait...if the Eagles are thinking Freeman? Huh? Where did that info come from? They're quite high on Kevin Kolb. They're not bringing in a first round QB this year under any circumstances. Linebacker is not a huge need for the Eagles either. Of TE, OT, RB, and S, they can be assured of an excellent prospect where they're at. They don't move up unless someone like Andre Smith or Michael Oher starts a long fall, and then they're moving up beyond us as well.

 

This is a weak draft for QBs. In a strong year for QBs MS and JF don't even get mentioned as first rounders. Look at KC's college stats and compare them to MS.

KC
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2004 223 372 2548 59.9 6.85 59 22 10 40 131.62
2005 185 289 2406 64.0 8.33 61 19 4 8 152.87


MS
YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006 3 7 63 42.9 9.00 22 0 1 2 89.89
2007 69 114 695 60.5 6.10 48 7 5 4 123.22
2008 241 366 3207 65.8 8.76 63 34 10 17 164.64

KC's 19 TDs to just 4 INTs in 05 is very impressive and he did it without being on a juggernaut team which only missed winning the NC because Jaquiz Rodgers went insane against them. Yes, MS has stats and skills which warrant attention. But no more so than KC or Ratliff did coming out of college, and also no more than JD Booty. This player just isn't worth all the attention he's getting.

 

If thats the truth then Pete Carroll is an idiot of a coach if chooses someone because hes been around longer instead of the better QB.

 

Electric, what's your thoughts on the QB class for 2010?
I'm hearing there is good potential there.

Why not give Clemens a fair shot? If it turns out him and Ratliff dont have it, then we'll need to go QB in 2010.
I can't justify trading away our draft for one player.

Just a gut feel too, I'm not nearly as high on Sanchez as most on this board seem to be.
My opinion, Stafford will excel much further at this level.

 

I have to agree with you.. I think Clemens will be more than OK with a good running game and offensive line. This is why we should pick up a TE, RB and WR within the first 4 rounds..

 

So a 1st, 2nd, and 4th is "substandard value" for moving up 9 spots?

MT would be foaming at the mouth if he got that phone call.

You are assuming that I would be in favor of accepting such a low-ball offer. I, along with most other posters, consider trading back the IDEAL scenario. That does not mean, however, that I have a "do it at all costs" mentality.

You can bet that the Giants would be salivating at the thought of one of the Southern Cal LB's sitting on the board at #17 right ahead of Denver. There is fantastic value at WR in the 2nd round.

This is just an ill-informed comment all around. It is common knowledge that the place to be this year is at the tail end of round 1 and early round 2.

No, go re-read. I was referring to Minnesota and put "see Eagles answer" because they too will be targeting OT in the 1st round.

 

I'm a proponent for trading down at #17, not trading up. Obviously. you need somebody that wants to trade up. Hoping that someone drops and is a wanted pick at #17. I feel if the Jets can drop down they can get xtra pick(s) this year and possibly next.

The following is possible trade down scenarios that is strictly a numbers game - not based on teams desires or needs.

NY Giants trade ( Giants have two 2nd rounders and 11 overall picks.): Jets #17 for Giants #29, #60 and #162. This gives us an extra 2nd and 5th rounder. Giants still have 9 picks plus they move up to get "their guy". Jets draft 2009: #29,#52,#60,#76,#115,#162,#193,#228

Atlanta Trade: Jets #17 for Atlanta's #24, #90, #138 plus next year's 3rd or 4th rounder. This gives the Jets an extra 3rd and 4th plus a 2010 pick. Jets 2090 draft: #24,#52,#76,#90,,#115,#138,#193,#228


Dallas trade: (they have 11 picks, no 1st rounder) I'm convinced Dallas wants to move up (Jerry Jones thing), the Jets position may be a little too steep: Two Dallas scenarios:

1). Jets trade #17 for #51,#69,#156 plus 2010 2nd and 5th rounder. Jets lose a 1st rounder this year, but gain a 2nd,3rd, and 5th rounder this year and a 2nd and 5th in 2010. Jets 2009 draft: #51,#52,#69,#76,#115,#156,#193,#228.

2) If Dallas lets Miles go - Jets trade #17 for Miles,WR, #51,#156 plus a 2nd rounder next year.
Jets draft 2009: MilesWR, #51,#52,#76,#115,#156,#193,#228.

In essence, for the 1st rounder the Jets either get Miles, a 2nd, and a 5th plus 2010's 2nd or a 2nd, 3rd, and a 5th plus 2010 2nd and 5th.